Yep, the “they” that made someone take out those loans is very powerful…If I was stuck with $120k in loans making $60k a year, I would probably be pretty resentful.
Yep, the “they” that made someone take out those loans is very powerful…If I was stuck with $120k in loans making $60k a year, I would probably be pretty resentful.
There are a surprising number of Rose grads on INGO!
I was there in 85 and 86, then Vincennes Univ junior college and finished at Purdue.ME, Rose 1989...pleased to meet ya.
Have two kids that did two year degrees at IVY Tech and then went on to get bachelors' at IUPUI and Univ of Indy (both computer stuff). Have two that haven't done college at all and work at regular jobs for now (have to see what happens later) and one that went straight through to a BS Nursing/RN that now also works in IT like her brothers. I truly don't think college is for everyone, and if I had it to do over again I can't say I'd do it in that I've grown not to particularly like engineering after doing it for the majority of 34 years.I was there in 85 and 86, then Vincennes Univ junior college and finished at Purdue.
As a response to many other posts concerning technical trades and cost of education, my time at Rose influenced me. As a result I sponsor a couple scholarships at my high school for VU Engineering and Agriculture/Technical trades. Having a junior college curriculum transfer directly into a four year school was important, along with technical trades that are now in short supply.
The mandates will also influence student choices for college. Could turn out to be a big factor if they don't end. Click on Which Colleges Mandate and lists have to be downloaded. Seems tricky using a tablet.
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Guess I should have spelled it out a bit more. If you want to go work on the bleeding edge, sure. A computer science degree might help you learn concepts and the like. But I'm not even sure of that anymore. Learn some coding standards, read the documentation, try and build a simple project, Google what you don't get, rinse, repeat.Really? I kinda get it with my degree, it was mostly nonsense, but I would expect a CS degree to actually teach you some tangible skill that normies can't get from just googling the problem.
I don't need to. I went to college
Landing that job might be a problem. If you don’t have the degree you better have equivalent experience. But, you could start out doing something entry level and incrementally work your way into more technical positions.Guess I should have spelled it out a bit more. If you want to go work on the bleeding edge, sure. A computer science degree might help you learn concepts and the like. But I'm not even sure of that anymore. Learn some coding standards, read the documentation, try and build a simple project, Google what you don't get, rinse, repeat.
That's another thing. College can get you networking that lands the job. I know that nothing I do at my current position (enterprise application developer) needs that degree, but I landed the job due to college networking. But you can totally network outside of college. For my field, write how-to's, make YouTube videos, work on open source projects, etc. The degree was a requirement, but it was just a lazy way to weed out people that might not try. Replace the current path with more of an apprenticeship and I think that would work miles betterLanding that job might be a problem. If you don’t have the degree you better have equivalent experience. But, you could start out doing something entry level and incrementally work your way into more technical positions.
If I was stuck with $120k in loans making $60k a year, I would probably be pretty resentful.
My son is going to WGU online for a second bachelors in computer stuff. Each course he completes has a certification test as the final. So, when he gets his next degree, he’ll have I think 14 certifications in his field. Not a bad deal, if you’re in that field.The traditional college model is broken. I like the idea of certification rather than degrees. So you’d get your education from whatever sources you can, you pay some fee for the take certificate exams, and if you pass, it’s the same as having the degree.
Why not certifications? You get your knowledge however you want. Then pay a fee for your certs. College isn’t necessary. I think I mentioned elsewhere, MIT has their whole CS program on YouTube.That's another thing. College can get you networking that lands the job. I know that nothing I do at my current position (enterprise application developer) needs that degree, but I landed the job due to college networking. But you can totally network outside of college. For my field, write how-to's, make YouTube videos, work on open source projects, etc. The degree was a requirement, but it was just a lazy way to weed out people that might not try. Replace the current path with more of an apprenticeship and I think that would work miles better
Certs work too. In my mind they are both ways that say "here is something that says I know something".Why not certifications? You get your knowledge however you want. Then pay a fee for your certs. College isn’t necessary. I think I mentioned elsewhere, MIT has their whole CS program on YouTube.
Certs work too. In my mind they are both ways that say "here is something that says I know something".
Just like with degrees, the org that puts its name on it stakes its reputation. If you hire a bunch of engineers with certain certifications and they just can’t perform as expected then the reputation will form.Certs are good and at this point more valuable than the paper from most colleges. The only downside is that they are the gospel according to the certification body. So a Microsoft certification is the truth according to Microsoft, not necessarily the truth of how something is in real life. Same with Cisco certs. I've seen cert questions from both where the answer doesn't reflect actual reality. So if you keep that in mind they are somewhat valuable.
Just like with degrees, the org that puts its name on it stakes its reputation. If you hire a bunch of engineers with certain certifications and they just can’t perform as expected then the reputation will form.