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M4s in Afghanistan
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Kimbertrace
Plinker
pftraining_in
Sharpshooter
When Pat Rogers has various tier 1 AR platforms with 20,000-50,000 rounds through them with out cleaning, but lubricating them properly, I see these studies and reports as fishy. They seem to surface anytime another company is trying to get the military to buy their rifles. You must also remember that this report originally came out over a year ago, however it is front line news with the AP. What is their agenda?
One should question the type of lube, if any, used on the weapons, experience of the trigger puller with the platform (M4 and SAW) and if SOP were followed with the weapons. Additionally several errors in the report have been pointed out on other forums.
One should question the type of lube, if any, used on the weapons, experience of the trigger puller with the platform (M4 and SAW) and if SOP were followed with the weapons. Additionally several errors in the report have been pointed out on other forums.
i personally didnt have much faith in my m4. i cleaned it religiously, but there were times towards the end of missions i just knew if something happened that thing would not carry me through. there were times where we had about 20m of visibility due to sand, and that rifle would be caked. i had it jam on the range plenty of times. that was after a cleaning and fresh out of my room. i dont think any weapon is 100%. especially in that hell hole. but there have to be some that are better. personally, i wish they would have let me dismount a 240b and hump that around.
I have talked with someone that was actually a special forces member a few years back, he has acatually " done work" so to speak and his weapon of choice was an MP5 with a surpressor, he has made shots at over 200 yards with it, not sure hat his weapon of choice would have been in such a situation though.
jblomenberg16
Grandmaster
Well the bad guys are probably using AK's and other combloc weapons.
As to the AP reports, I doubt they have many embedded reporters with the Taliban actively keeping tabs on weapons failures.
As to the AP reports, I doubt they have many embedded reporters with the Taliban actively keeping tabs on weapons failures.
I would not buy an AR15 after my experiences with the M16 in the military.
They have had problems since day one in the 60's.
I finally gave in and built a POF lower and purchased a POF upper.
Big difference than the old P.O.S. M16
The gas piston is the way to go.
They have had problems since day one in the 60's.
I finally gave in and built a POF lower and purchased a POF upper.
Big difference than the old P.O.S. M16
The gas piston is the way to go.
I think a major downside to piston guns is their weight. Automatically, right out the gate, the rifle weighs more. Another issue that I have experienced; and, some will with other piston/non DI-AR guns too, is the actually proprietary 'small things'. For instance, I can't run a Redi-mag system on my XCR; and to me, that would be an awesome addition to it. (for example)
Smitty506th
Sharpshooter
- Sep 22, 2008
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The AR platform (including the M4) needs TLC. I can't wait till the SCAR replaces it. The gas system will make it a lot easier to maintain. With dust and oil on your bolt after mags and mags and mags in a firefight they do not perform like they would if you were there with a squirt bottle of CLP. After living in the dirt in some OP your weapons sort of "get the funk". You keep a weapon in those conditions for the better part of a year and then run it through a "stress test".
