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[2A_Tom]

In my life time there has only been one Great president and a philanderer got credit for (and began the downfall of) the booming economy that he cleared the way for.

I remember when he was running (now consider, this was before the lines of demarcation were so clearly drawn between the two parties) there was a lot of debate as to whether he was what he purported to be. He was bonzo, a trained monkey. He claimed to be a born again Christian, whereas his opponent was a member of a baptist church. He was a polished actor and what he said was said to be just an act.

He turned out to be the best I have seen. Now MrJ will mention every time he passed gas in a crowded room.

We like Mitch, we like his track record, but we don't know that he would be within his depth if he was elected.

Will we ever have a Man of Character, Resolve, BELIEVES the Constitution and is willing to put himself and his family through the gauntlet composed of the media, the liberals, the Libertarians, the progressives, the democrats and the embedded republicans.

You think he WILL be a Libertarian, you say?

 

[KLB]

This is a pretty good description of how I see my own views.

The 2a is very important to me, and so are a handful of other issues. The problem for me, when it comes to picking a "side", is that the bulk of my social views align with the left (or their rhetoric, at least), while most of my economic and governance concerns align more strongly with the right (well...their rhetoric, at least).

I want a government that does what it is mandated to do, does it well, and does nothing more. I want a government that concerns itself with performing the duties with which it has been charged, and performing those duties in a way that does not unduly infringe on the lives of those being governed.

Where is my party?

Neither party values liberty. Both are willing to give lip service to issues that impact me, but neither will follow up with meaningful action...it's almost like they think fixing the issues they ran on will give them less to run on next time...

This sounds a lot like how I feel, except I would say that I aligned with the social values that the left used to espouse. I have no use for the present day politically correct social justice.

Sadly, these two political parties are so firmly entrenched that I do not see anything changing until the day that the country breaks down. Who knows when that will be, but one thing is for certain in this universe, everything ends.

I fear for the government that my grandchildren will be subject to when they are adults. Both parties just want to tighten control of the population, each turning their chosen screws tighter and tighter. Funny thing is, they never seem to really loosen any of them, even ones they purport to oppose when they are being passed by the other side.

 

[KLB]

Why? So they can say "I like guns, but only these guns, and only some people should have them, should have to jump through a bunch of hoops to have them, and it's not that important to me anyway"?

There are people on both sides that feel that way.

 

[OakRiver]

You mean we should embrace people who vote for gun control?

F' that.

We can embrace and welcome someone without embracing, welcoming, and adhering to their ideas. Having opposition and having to defend your ideas, not simply take them for granted, makes you stronger. You are only as good as your strongest opponent.

 

[KLB]

We can embrace and welcome someone without embracing, welcoming, and adhering to their ideas. Having opposition and having to defend your ideas, not simply take them for granted, makes you stronger. You are only as good as your strongest opponent.

Well said and a much better philosophy than ridiculing and attacking constantly.

 

[pudly]

We can embrace and welcome someone without embracing, welcoming, and adhering to their ideas. Having opposition and having to defend your ideas, not simply take them for granted, makes you stronger. You are only as good as your strongest opponent.

Does that apply to them as well?

Well said and a much better philosophy than ridiculing and attacking constantly.

Because we never see that kind of attitude being thrown at us?

I'll believe that I should be respectful of progressive gun owners when they are respectful of conservative gun owners. I've seen precious little evidence of that yet.

 

[OakRiver]

Does that apply to them as well?

That depends on the poster. If they want to show "their team" in the worst possible light and gain nothing from it then that is their choice.

 

[bwframe]

There was a time when Dems knew that gun control was poison to them, now it's their platform. They voted their own party leaders in. Vote for a Dem and you are voting for gun control. If we allow that to be OK, we might as well turn our guns in now, they'll be coming after them.

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I started to post this here, but decided not to derail the thread.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...3283-where-do-you-fit-really.html#post6762199

 

[Vigilant]

There was a time when Dems knew that gun control was poison to them, now it's their platform. They voted their own party leaders in. Vote for a Dem and you are voting for gun control. If we allow that to be OK, we might as well turn our guns in now, they'll be coming after them.

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

Lots of folks, even here, willing to fall! I, like Michelle Obama, am ashamed of the country I served many years for! Difference being, I'm ashamed at what it has become, she was always ashamed, until it put her husband in power.

 

[2A_Tom]

CM I make a prediction. It may be me.

 

[rhino]

A few pages back, several mentioned that they don't want an "echo chamber" here.

First, I would find it preferable to what we have.

Second, once you go even slightly astray from gun rights, it's kind of funny to label this place an "echo chamber." There is plenty of disagreement here. Heck, some people disagree automatically even if you repeat exactly what they just said. I don't place as much inherent value on disagreement as some do.

I recognize that my opinion is influenced by my disdain for debate and argument.

 

[churchmouse]

CM I make a prediction. It may be me.

Nah.

 

[Expat]

A few pages back, several mentioned that they don't want an "echo chamber" here.

First, I would find it preferable to what we have.

Second, once you go even slightly astray from gun rights, it's kind of funny to label this place an "echo chamber." There is plenty of disagreement here. Heck, some people disagree automatically even if you repeat exactly what they just said. I don't place as much inherent value on disagreement as some do.

I recognize that my opinion is influenced by my disdain for debate and argument.

You're completely wrong.

 

[pudly]

You're completely wrong.

But then again, he may be right.

 

[Expat]

But then again, he may be right.

I think he is intentionally wrong just to foment dissent.

 

[pudly]

I think he is intentionally wrong just to foment dissent.

Well then he's providing that service that everyone is looking for of keeping the site from being and echo chamber.

You go, rhino!

 

[jamil]

You're completely wrong.

But then again, he may be right.

I think you're both wrong. Obviously.

 

[rhino]

Hah!

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Echo chamber. Lulz.

Minimum wage
Gay marriage
Religion
OC

Gun echo chamber?

Stick a .22 in their ear
Anything less than a duty size double stack 9mm will get you killed in the streets
Glocks vs not Glocks.