It looks like both of them "have issues." It doesn't look like fate brought them together, but rather their own personalities predisposed them to this kind of meeting. Mosier should not have been on the road, however, given his past.
hit the man with the vehicle door, picked up a gun and then shot him in the chest.
Now was this His gun she picked up ????? If it was his gun why was it so easy to fall out if she hit him with a door No holster? Was he in one of the Biker Clubs in that area I have heard theres a couple that are known for their violent tendencies in that area?
Its stuff like this that I think makes the Leadership of this state boderline Mentally Handicapped you can ride a motorcycle with a handgun strapped to ya , But you get on a Four wheeler and ride through the woods or across a field thats your own field ..permit to carry or not ...guess what Your breaking the law and it costs ya 600.00, your gun and your possibly subject to losing your gun permit. Lucky for me the judge was a very nice and forgiving individual and dropped everything Go Figure gotta love those nimwits up in the capital sorry for hijacking
NO it wasn't his gun. He was unarmed when shot then stomped and kicked once down.
You make it sound like he wasn't any kind of a threat. What seems not to be understood is that people react differently to fight or flight. The body is pumped full of adrenaline. Some people cower and cry, some respond aggressively. There were reports she was screaming at the victim. Now while that sounds mean and obnoxious, in the context of just having shot someone I doubt none of us are sure how we would react. That is why some people ramble on to the cops and say more than they should. They are amped up and need an outlet of some type. I'm not one to lay blame for how someone reacted to a confrontation. Hopefully she has a good lawyer and this will be brought to the jury's attention.
Roger that.Heheheh...... I stated a fact, nothing more.
Yep, I ride a bike as well and have nearly been killed by moronic drivers on a couple occasions.
I don`t know the details of this incident, but I haven`t even heard the lady say that the biker even said anything to her.
If he was approching her vehicle saying he was going to kill her, then fine, smoke his ass. But if he was just pissed off and coming to her car....?
I've seen this thread go on for months and, other than a short visit, have avoided reading this due to internal conflicts.
THIS case, I'm not going to comment on - it sounds like both of these folks were sketchy in the past and may have been the exception to the rule.
There is something I feel compelled to say: There are many analogies between riding a motorcycle and carrying a handgun.
Both are licensed by the State with no mandated training - a background check for one, a license test for the other. However, many of us who carry daily do go on to get additional training regarding effective and legal use of a handgun. Many of us also continue training, beyond the State testing, for improving our motorcycling skills through organizations like ABATE.
Beyond the physical skills required for both activities are the much greater mental skills required to responsibly do either.
When to "walk away" from trouble is huge. Failure to do so is, in my opinion, foolish and potentially criminal.
ABATE teaches us to "walk away" from trouble. Pull over to avoid the overly aggressive driver. Just like we are expected to avoid the bad situation developing when the end result could be pulling your firearm.
For those of you who don't ride, let me describe my commute. Fishers (0715-0800) traveling along Allisonville to 465, west to 71st Street. There are times the alternate route might include 96th, 106th or 116th. The evening ride home is about 1700-1830.
Demographing is okay in sales - it is considered non-PC when applied in a negative manner. I'll use it anyway. Who drives in the most unsafe manner around bikes? Riding WAY to close in congested traffic to be able to stop safely without scraping me under the bumper? Merging over on top of me due to either not caring (he'll move) or not paying attention (cell phone / makeup?) In Indy - 3rd, black males between 18 - 35. 2nd, black women between 16 and 50. 1st, white females between 16 -25.
That demo has just been what I've observed since I've been in Indy.
I average around 150-200 miles per week commuting and riding. These folks driving around me like that, right on my rear tire, are no different (and arguably worse) than sweeping me at the range with a loaded handgun with your finger beginning to squeeze the trigger.
After a bit, though I'm consistently "walking away" from these jack****s, sometimes I'm trapped in congested traffic and can't get away. Damn right, I'm "threatened" by them. Yep, I'm pissed. Yep, just two weeks ago when trapped in stopped traffic on 465 and the cell phone wielding, 35 year old black male decides he wants in my lane and decides the best way to do it is to creeeeep over into my lane 'til his bumper is literally 6 inches from my leg... yeah, I'm pissed. Yep, I'm actually yelling, "WTF do you think you're doing?!?!?!"
Alright. I'll stop. The facts of this case are sketchy. More appropriately, the folks in this case are sketchy. I'll refrain from getting off my bike at a traffic light, walking back to the car that has been endangering my life as surely as if they're swinging their loaded handgun across my body mass, and asking them to please, back the h**l off before they kill me through their negligence.
Just please understand that driving dangerously is even more sensitive to those of us who choose to ride outside of a cage when we share the road. Just as those of us who choose to frequent the range are more sensitive to muzzle safety and trigger control of others around us.
Also, I wouldn't want anyone to reduce their situational awareness or let a perceived danger get too close, but please don't encourage others to start popping off rounds when someone comes walking up to their car - that situation, as applied to someone who might be coming to tell you that the gas cap is open, is kinda scary.
Rant off...
Also, I wouldn't want anyone to reduce their situational awareness or let a perceived danger get too close, but please don't encourage others to start popping off rounds when someone comes walking up to their car - that situation, as applied to someone who might be coming to tell you that the gas cap is open, is kinda scary.
I've seen this thread go on for months and, other than a short visit, have avoided reading this due to internal conflicts.
THIS case, I'm not going to comment on - it sounds like both of these folks were sketchy in the past and may have been the exception to the rule.
There is something I feel compelled to say: There are many analogies between riding a motorcycle and carrying a handgun.
Both are licensed by the State with no mandated training - a background check for one, a license test for the other. However, many of us who carry daily do go on to get additional training regarding effective and legal use of a handgun. Many of us also continue training, beyond the State testing, for improving our motorcycling skills through organizations like ABATE.
Beyond the physical skills required for both activities are the much greater mental skills required to responsibly do either.
When to "walk away" from trouble is huge. Failure to do so is, in my opinion, foolish and potentially criminal.
ABATE teaches us to "walk away" from trouble. Pull over to avoid the overly aggressive driver. Just like we are expected to avoid the bad situation developing when the end result could be pulling your firearm.
For those of you who don't ride, let me describe my commute. Fishers (0715-0800) traveling along Allisonville to 465, west to 71st Street. There are times the alternate route might include 96th, 106th or 116th. The evening ride home is about 1700-1830.
Demographing is okay in sales - it is considered non-PC when applied in a negative manner. I'll use it anyway. Who drives in the most unsafe manner around bikes? Riding WAY to close in congested traffic to be able to stop safely without scraping me under the bumper? Merging over on top of me due to either not caring (he'll move) or not paying attention (cell phone / makeup?) In Indy - 3rd, black males between 18 - 35. 2nd, black women between 16 and 50. 1st, white females between 16 -25.
That demo has just been what I've observed since I've been in Indy.
I average around 150-200 miles per week commuting and riding. These folks driving around me like that, right on my rear tire, are no different (and arguably worse) than sweeping me at the range with a loaded handgun with your finger beginning to squeeze the trigger.
After a bit, though I'm consistently "walking away" from these jack****s, sometimes I'm trapped in congested traffic and can't get away. Damn right, I'm "threatened" by them. Yep, I'm pissed. Yep, just two weeks ago when trapped in stopped traffic on 465 and the cell phone wielding, 35 year old black male decides he wants in my lane and decides the best way to do it is to creeeeep over into my lane 'til his bumper is literally 6 inches from my leg... yeah, I'm pissed. Yep, I'm actually yelling, "WTF do you think you're doing?!?!?!"
Alright. I'll stop. The facts of this case are sketchy. More appropriately, the folks in this case are sketchy. I'll refrain from getting off my bike at a traffic light, walking back to the car that has been endangering my life as surely as if they're swinging their loaded handgun across my body mass, and asking them to please, back the h**l off before they kill me through their negligence.
Just please understand that driving dangerously is even more sensitive to those of us who choose to ride outside of a cage when we share the road. Just as those of us who choose to frequent the range are more sensitive to muzzle safety and trigger control of others around us.
Also, I wouldn't want anyone to reduce their situational awareness or let a perceived danger get too close, but please don't encourage others to start popping off rounds when someone comes walking up to their car - that situation, as applied to someone who might be coming to tell you that the gas cap is open, is kinda scary.
Rant off...