I find it interesting that somebody with eighteen posts can dress down people that have been site for years.
That is quite an entrance, isn't it? I wonder if she is the same way in person (but not enough to want to learn from experience).
Really? You believe in laws that are not written but should be 'understood' to exist? And then you build on this by using illegal activities which are felonies without consideration of the use/non-use of guns? Really? No, the Constitution does not address common crime which under the Tenth Amendment, is reserved to the states and the people. That is entirely different from criminalizing constitutional rights or demoting them to conditional privileges.
Given that you support the demotion of constitutional rights to conditional privileges and believe that benevolent government would not devise a training system which would be detrimental to us, I am forced to conclude that if you are not already a statist, you are an excellent candidate.
I find it interesting that somebody with eighteen posts can dress down people that have been site for years.
That is quite an entrance, isn't it? I wonder if she is the same way in person (but not enough to want to learn from experience).
Who says you have to have a drivers license to own a car? How about to drive it on your personal property where you arent endangering others' lives?
I dont see training requirements for the ability to CARRY as all that bad. Now to be able to POSSESS or BUY a gun? Thats a different story. If they try that sh** I'll be standing shoulder to shoulder with you.
I just dont see how being properly trained and educated to use a deadly weapon is all that evil.
I have a better idea. Instead of kowtowing to every state that refuses to recognize our Right, why don't we work to convince them of the error of their ways?
You know what will happen if you have two licenses? Eventually one of them is seen as redundant or a waste of money. I wonder which one that would be?
I worry that there are alot of others like him.
Sorry, training for the ability to exercise a right? Hell no.
Been saying that for a while now. If it's not bowingq to the scred cow of training, it's demanding perfection in safety and ridiculous standards for storage. The number of arguments around here lately that come from the "if it saves one child/life" play book is making me sick. Being free is risky. And sometimes bad things are going to happen. The idea that if something is theoretically preventable it damn well better be prevented is ludicrous. We are painting ourselves into a corner. If we do not allow for human nature, then we will create a unmeetable standard, which will be the gap in the bottom of the tent for the antis.By and large, gun owners are falling over themselves to help the anti's introduce even more legislation to infringe our Rights. If they're not actively helping, then they're helping through apathy; that is to say, they don't bother calling or writing their legislators. If the members of INGO were to band together and become active in Indiana politics, we would be a POWERFUL lobbying group for gun rights. We're 35,000 members strong now. That's a small percentage of Indiana's 6.5 million residents, but large enough to make our collective voice heard and heard LOUDLY.
That explains a few things. Her demeanor aside, I was more disappointed that she refused to own her position in the face of repeated questions. In light of her newly posted location, I also question her integrity a tad.I should have copied Katies post before I refreshed the page. She edited her post and took out the good stuff about her brother being banned for (hoping I can use the verb form without being banned) t******g. She also deleted a sentence about being related to Gunsite instructors.
I have thought about going to that school to get more training. The other day I ran into an old friend who has been to their course (not sure which). He stopped me in Wal-Mart while I was OCing to talk, it took 30 minutes to get around to I shouldn't OC because it was scaring people, the manager was checking me out, and I would be the first one taken out in a robbery. He was not even carrying.
Well, it looks as though I will be spending my money here in Indiana at TFT.
I find it interesting that somebody with eighteen posts can dress down people that have been site for years.
I should have copied Katies post before I refreshed the page. She edited her post and took out the good stuff about her brother being banned for (hoping I can use the verb form without being banned) t******g. She also deleted a sentence about being related to Gunsite instructors...
Well, it looks as though I will be spending my money here in Indiana at TFT.
I attempted to end it simply. Primarily because you all pretty much feel the same way and I don't relish a 6 on 1 or 7 on 1 discussion. Had this been at a restaurant (or bar), I'm sure we would have been able to see each other's side of the issues quite a bit better.
For your information, I don't know anyone at Gunsite. I do have 2 close relatives at Front Site who are excellent instructors. I won't attend a training session there because they work hard to sell 'memberships' and I have neither the funds nor the interest in getting that involved. I love them dearly, but that is their vocation, not mine, and has nothing to do with the concern I have with low-skill CCW. I'm sorry, that's just the way I feel.
88GT: I attempted to respond to you on your slavery example with Dred Scott/13thA & 14thA, and Plessy v Ferguson/Brown v Bd of Educ. You slammed that response and I felt further dialogue was fruitless. I leave that as your issue, not mine. Point/Counterpoint is the way things should go. Not Point/Shin Kick.
I wish all of you well with your laws and I hope that no one in Indiana is left with the guilt of a bad shoot. Lord knows there are too many because people who refuse to own the responsibility that comes with the 2A.
There will always be bad shoots, mandatory training or not. Surely you can see that.
The government does everything that they do so well that we just need to give them authority over everything, no football, no soccer no guns no nothing.
You don't smoke so it is your opinion that no one should be allowed.