Indiana Senator introduces bill for training requirements

[traderdan]

I also have the right to free speech (including reading/writing), but it is required that I go to school to learn vocabulary and how to read/write. I (my parents) have the option to enroll me in public or private school, or home school; but schooling of some kind is required. Is my right being infringed on because they are making me go to school so I can properly use my freedom of speech?

Firearms should be treated similarly. There are many different options of training available, and you should be able to chose which one you prefer, but learning how to properly exercise your right is not an infringement of that right. IMO

I am sorry that you cannot see the obvious..We have few accidental shootings that cause serious bodily injury, by folks that have a LCP.

 

[Rhoadmar]

I also have the right to free speech (including reading/writing), but it is required that I go to school to learn vocabulary and how to read/write. I (my parents) have the option to enroll me in public or private school, or home school; but schooling of some kind is required. Is my right being infringed on because they are making me go to school so I can properly use my freedom of speech?

Firearms should be treated similarly. There are many different options of training available, and you should be able to chose which one you prefer, but learning how to properly exercise your right is not an infringement of that right. IMO

You can exercise free speech without that education. It is not based on a required educational level.

 

[Bunnykid68]

I also have the right to free speech (including reading/writing), but it is required that I go to school to learn vocabulary and how to read/write. I (my parents) have the option to enroll me in public or private school, or home school; but schooling of some kind is required. Is my right being infringed on because they are making me go to school so I can properly use my freedom of speech?

Firearms should be treated similarly. There are many different options of training available, and you should be able to chose which one you prefer, but learning how to properly exercise your right is not an infringement of that right. IMO

And if the training is forced it becomes an infringement

No one should be forced to go to school either.

 

[Rhoadmar]

Firearms should be treated similarly. There are many different options of training available, and you should be able to chose which one you prefer, but learning how to properly exercise your right is not an infringement of that right. IMO

The determination of what constitutes proper training comes from who?

 

[DragonGunner]

Who says you have to have a drivers license to own a car? How about to drive it on your personal property where you arent endangering others' lives?

I dont see training requirements for the ability to CARRY as all that bad. Now to be able to POSSESS or BUY a gun? Thats a different story. If they try that sh** I'll be standing shoulder to shoulder with you.

I just dont see how being properly trained and educated to use a deadly weapon is all that evil.

Well you can bet it won't be free training.....you can bet the govt. will try and tax or make money off of the training. Why not get properly trained to pea in a pot while we are at it, that will be next. Then training that can be taxed for how to climb a ladder as a law before buying one. When does it end......?

 

[Bunnykid68]

Well you can bet it won't be free training.....you can bet the govt. will try and tax or make money off of the training. Why not get properly trained to pea in a pot while we are at it, that will be next. Then training that can be taxed for how to climb a ladder as a law before buying one. When does it end......?

We need some swimming pool laws too.

 

[actaeon277]

Do you think all the dumb **** will go away because they're trained?

 

[Bunnykid68]

Do you think all the dumb **** will go away because they're trained?

Nope and if we did cave to that they would just want more training in the future.

 

[Jack Burton]

Do we know this or think we know this?

Do we have an e-mail, telegram, gorillagram from another state saying that the reason they "look down" on Indiana's LTCH is because of training?

Yes, I have read many a story where a state has said they will only honor other state licenses which have a rough equivilent with their own state's mandatory training.

 

[danbailey24]

As a gun owner, I agree with the gentleman above in that I see no harm in requiring training for people to conceal and carry a weapon in public. In many cases (not including guns), our government has to protect the law-abiding, sane, GOOD AMERICANS from those who are not those things. You bring up the word "right". As a citizen, I feel I have the RIGHT to be protected from irresponsible, untrained people carrying deadly weapons. In my opinion, because I have only good intentions for carrying....I have no problem being required to be trained. I understand and respect your stance...just wanted to share mine also.

good discussion always leads to positive ends.

 

[Scutter01]

. As a citizen, I feel I have the RIGHT to be protected from irresponsible, untrained people carrying deadly weapons.

Uhh...no, you don't. You do, however, have the Right to protect YOURSELF from those irresponsible people. You do not have the right to force someone else to become proficient in something.

 

[SteveM4A1]

Uhh...no, you don't. You do, however, have the Right to protect YOURSELF from those irresponsible people. You do not have the right to force someone else to become proficient in something.

This. Dan, I think you are misunderstanding what rights you have, or feel you should have.

 

[John Galt]

Seriously?

 

[Viper1973]

All this mandatory training requirement will do is further hamper the abilities of individuals to become licensed and enjoy the shooting sports. Think about it, in addition to the current license cost, you have the cost of the gun, cost of fingerprinting, etc. Now, for a husband and wife or someone young with a new family tacking on $150-400 in 'training' makes this a non-starter. Plus those of us with hectic work schedules can't take off whenever someone decides to schedule a training class.

I've gone on to obtain additional training from TDI, Gunsite, etc. as anyone with a valid license can. Training should be something ongoing as it can be afforded - NOT a mandatory requirement just to discourage ownership.

 

[Bunnykid68]

As a gun owner, I agree with the gentleman above in that I see no harm in requiring training for people to conceal and carry a weapon in public. In many cases (not including guns), our government has to protect the law-abiding, sane, GOOD AMERICANS from those who are not those things. You bring up the word "right". As a citizen, I feel I have the RIGHT to be protected from irresponsible, untrained people carrying deadly weapons. In my opinion, because I have only good intentions for carrying....I have no problem being required to be trained. I understand and respect your stance...just wanted to share mine also.

good discussion always leads to positive ends.

The government is doing such a fine job with stopping car wrecks and drunk drivers aren't they?

 

[2A_Tom]

QUOTE=Scutter01;4694398]Uhh...no, you don't. You do, however, have the Right to protect YOURSELF from those irresponsible people. You do not have the right to force someone else to become proficient in something.[/QUOTE]

^^^^THIS^^^^

The right to protect yourself is unalienable. Not just to protect yourself from individuals, gangs or robbers, but also from the government itself. The founders enumerated this as the right to keep and bear arms because that was the best way to defend yourself at that time. Since that time the government has infringed upon that right in every way that they can get away with. We don't have the right to keep and bear automatic weapons, silencers or even carry a handgun without a license. They will continue to infringe upon your rights and every turn that you allow them.

 

[MisterChester]

And if the training is forced it becomes an infringement

No one should be forced to go to school either.

Do you mean "schools" as in public/private ones or just education in general? If it's the former I agree. Not forcing minors to be educated just spells bad news all the way around.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Do you mean "schools" as in public/private ones or just education in general? If it's the former I agree. Not forcing minors to be educated just spells bad news all the way around.

Have you seen some of these so called forced educations? And you are right it is bad news

 

[traderdan]

As a gun owner, I agree with the gentleman above in that I see no harm in requiring training for people to conceal and carry a weapon in public. In many cases (not including guns), our government has to protect the law-abiding, sane, GOOD AMERICANS from those who are not those things. You bring up the word "right". As a citizen, I feel I have the RIGHT to be protected from irresponsible, untrained people carrying deadly weapons. In my opinion, because I have only good intentions for carrying....I have no problem being required to be trained. I understand and respect your stance...just wanted to share mine also.

good discussion always leads to positive ends.

Welcome to INGO...Hang around for re-instruction....

 

[Scutter01]

Welcome to INGO...Hang around for re-instruction....

By force, if necessary.