I'm hearing you just fine. I'm just not agreeing with you, nor you with me.
Let people get whatever training they want to get. More, less, or none at all. I'm not interested in creating more "only ones" who are "allowed" to carry in "special" places. Lee Paige was the only one in the room professional enough to carry a pistol... presumably, as a federal agent, he had some pretty good training.... Pity it didn't keep him from ventilating his leg in front of a classroom full of kids.
The New Life Church in Colorado had (has?) a security team as well, volunteers who carry and who defend their fellow parishoners. I can't find the part of the story I remember from the time, but Jeanne Assam was not the only defender that day. She was the only one who actually fired in defense of her fellow worshippers, though, while a male team member froze and failed to shoot. Presumably, a team would be trained, right? Doesn't seem to have helped much.
From the above two stories, you might get the wrong impression of my thinking. I'm not at all saying training is undesirable or should not be sought. I'm saying only that whatever level of training someone has will never be enough in some minds, and THAT is the slippery slope that the wall you mention does nothing to eliminate.
I asked a couple of questions in my last post to you that you might have missed, so I'll ask again: The hypothetical armed teacher finishes her class day and leaves school, stopping by the mall for whatever. While she is there, a shooter pops up and begins picking off targets. She has training, but not with the mall's security team. Is she, therefore, unable to draw and stop the attacker because there is no "uniformity"?
And
Most if not all of us on here know at a minimum the Four Rules, how to prepare magazines, and how to load a mag into our weapons. None of us are required in Indiana to obtain training. How, then, did we all learn this? If we sought that on our own, why is that not sufficient for you? Why do you seem to feel that everyone must measure up to some arbitrary, as-yet-uncreated standard?
I'm interested in your replies to these two questions. (OK, so the latter is like three questions in and of itself, but focused at one issue)
Blessings,
Bill
Let people get whatever training they want to get. More, less, or none at all. I'm not interested in creating more "only ones" who are "allowed" to carry in "special" places. Lee Paige was the only one in the room professional enough to carry a pistol... presumably, as a federal agent, he had some pretty good training.... Pity it didn't keep him from ventilating his leg in front of a classroom full of kids.
The New Life Church in Colorado had (has?) a security team as well, volunteers who carry and who defend their fellow parishoners. I can't find the part of the story I remember from the time, but Jeanne Assam was not the only defender that day. She was the only one who actually fired in defense of her fellow worshippers, though, while a male team member froze and failed to shoot. Presumably, a team would be trained, right? Doesn't seem to have helped much.
From the above two stories, you might get the wrong impression of my thinking. I'm not at all saying training is undesirable or should not be sought. I'm saying only that whatever level of training someone has will never be enough in some minds, and THAT is the slippery slope that the wall you mention does nothing to eliminate.
I asked a couple of questions in my last post to you that you might have missed, so I'll ask again: The hypothetical armed teacher finishes her class day and leaves school, stopping by the mall for whatever. While she is there, a shooter pops up and begins picking off targets. She has training, but not with the mall's security team. Is she, therefore, unable to draw and stop the attacker because there is no "uniformity"?
And
Most if not all of us on here know at a minimum the Four Rules, how to prepare magazines, and how to load a mag into our weapons. None of us are required in Indiana to obtain training. How, then, did we all learn this? If we sought that on our own, why is that not sufficient for you? Why do you seem to feel that everyone must measure up to some arbitrary, as-yet-uncreated standard?
I'm interested in your replies to these two questions. (OK, so the latter is like three questions in and of itself, but focused at one issue)
Blessings,
Bill
I dont think your hearing me, are a town marshal and an English teacher not BOTH employees of the local government? People keep beating this to death, and your talking about a slippery slope that has a big wide wall right in the middle of it, in the shape of, not all private citizens are employed by the government. That makes this situation completely different.
We can go tit for tat all day about whether you like the idea or not, but the way I see it(always willing to accept the possibility of being wrong)
IT WILL NOT HAPPEN without some level of training, and some degree of uniformity.
Both of which should not apply to a normal citizen with a larry.