Indiana ban on gay marriage ruled unconstitutional

[level.eleven]

You do realize that you are doing the exact thing I was talking about above, right? We can now add "relics" to "mob" and "bigots".

Labeling those who disagree with you is simply copping out of actually have a rational discussion.

Slinging names is a **** poor substitute for actually defending/advancing your position, but don't let me stop you!

Okay. Fair enough. Although, it seems that decades of research isn't to be included. I will ask the question again.

Do you think that folks choose to be gay?

You can't consecutively avoid the thrust.

 

[Lex Concord]

This is kinda my point. For some, their religious practice allows marriage to encompass same sex marriage, but the government's legal strictures trample on the rights of people of those faith traditions. Which one needs to yield? The religious tenets of a free people, or the regulatory laws of the state? Rewriting the marriage statutes, should such be deemed necessary, would not be a pronouncement on the religious tenets of those whose faith only allows for one-man/one-woman. It would just be a pronouncement that the government will not be establishing that the one-man/one-woman faith traditions be the only religions allowed.

The governements' involvement has nothing to do with religious ceremonies, and everything to do with controlling the nature and participants in the codified implicit contracts. I guarantee that no swat team (or other LEO) would have busted down the door of an Episcopalian or ELCA same-sex nuptial ceremony before this ruling, so long as no attempt to involve the state with the "license" were attempted.

This is purely a secular issue wrapped around entitlements and contract law.

 

[cobber]

Okay. Fair enough. Although, it seems that decades of research isn't to be included. I will ask the question again.

Do you think that folks choose to be gay?

You can't consecutively avoid the thrust.

You probably need to read Fargo's posts. He hasn't said anything against gay marriage per se that I have read, or?

Your question, while provocative, is not relevant to the issue he was discussing.

Or if you think it is, can you explain how one's being born gay should impact the principles of federalism?

 

[Lex Concord]

Is anyone surprised by this? I haven't heard of a single case recently that went the other way.

 

[Fargo]

Okay. Fair enough. Although, it seems that decades of research isn't to be included. I will ask the question again.

Do you think that folks choose to be gay?

You can't consecutively avoid the thrust.

Having not been born that way, I don't pretend to know the answer to that question. Based upon my personal experience, there appear to be some people who appear to be born with a predisposition to homosexuality. There are also people who appear to acquire that attraction through forces later in life. I would say that as a general rule, I do not believe that homosexual attraction is something a person chooses, however I do not claim to KNOW that.

However, as Cobber points out, nothing in the above has anything to do with any point I have argued in this thread. In fact, I don't recall even having taken a position for or against gay marriage qua gay marriage in this thread.

My complaint has been that of a federal power grab in violation of state sovereignty, the constitution and stare decisis.

 

[Fargo]

Crickets...Crickets...Crickets....WhyisnoonecallingmeabigotbecauseIlovefederalism?????Crickets....

 

[cop car]

It's horse s hit that the government has anything to do with marriage. Should be between you, God and whoever else you choose it to be with, man, woman, women, men. As long as everyone is consenting adult whatever.

Why should married people be given tax breaks and share healthcare and single and couples/moreples who aren't married can't? That's what's dumb to me

 

[PistolBob]

Ha! We aren't speaking about a decision to act. We are talking about a human principle.

You aren't one of the relics that believe folks choose to be gay, are you?

Most of the homosexuals in my family have chosen to be that way. They say that.

 

[Denny347]

Believing that something is wrong is not the equivalent of hating people that do it. That is simply a brush the left has used to smear those who disagree with them as if the holding the opposing viewpoint makes you subhuman.

It has been going on and on in this thread. Those that agree with a certain view are "enlightened" while those who do not are a "mob" and "bigots".

Dehumanizing and denigrating those who disagree with you is the death of any rational conversation and of intellectual honesty.

I was not referring to anyone here. I was replying to her statement that she gets a lot of hate while in public.

 

[Denny347]

Most of the homosexuals in my family have chosen to be that way. They say that.

Hmmm, and mine did not. Interesting.

 

[Henry]

I was not referring to anyone here. I was replying to her statement that she gets a lot of hate while in public.

Can state force acceptance?

 

[indiucky]

Hmmm, and mine did not. Interesting.

Mine are split down the middle...One was always and one wasn't always...I always took them at face value...With that being said I think I will, in the words of Rambone...Just leave this here.....

[video=youtube;3eCrGMXv3RA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eCrGMXv3RA[/video]

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Can state force acceptance?

Yes. Or else.

 

[Henry]

Yes. Or else.

Is that acceptance?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Is that acceptance?

They think so.

Think of it as kind of like reeducation.

 

[singlesix]

Sad day for Indiana. Marriage is still only between two people.

 

[Denny347]

Can state force acceptance?

Of course not, lots of people still hate blacks, Jews, Hispanics, etc but they share the same rights as you and I.

 

[Henry]

Of course not, lots of people still hate blacks, Jews, Hispanics, etc but they share the same rights as you and I.

Then how would the decision of this judge change the amount of "hate" somebody might "feel"?

 

[Denny347]

Then how would the decision of this judge change the amount of "hate" somebody might "feel"?

I'm not tracking. I am not aware that anyone said it would. What you "think" about 2 men or 2 women marring each other is meaningless, as long as they are allowed to.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Hmmm, and mine did not. Interesting.

My great grandparents chose to be Americans.

I was born that way.