In the event of bio-terrorism, Postal Workers will give you your federal medicine

[Blackhawk2001]

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Your sarcasm and veiled insult was really uncalled for, btw.

Point it out and if it was sarcasm or veiled insult, I'll publicly apologize.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

I live out in the country. I don't have many neighbors. Across the road is a bunch of white trash, possible meth heads. Next to me is a racist and the other side is an old lady who I know little about. I have a hard time believing any of them would work for the CIA or become a Senator.

Has the USPS man been giving you delusion pills for a while?

Our government is not made up of people "like you or me" or our neighbors. Unless you or your neighbors have been groomed from birth to take their Grandparents Senate seat/CEO position at their multi-billion dollar corporation.

You're right about one thing. The government cares for me and wishes to do me as much direct harm as my neighbors, and by that I mean they don't care about me at all. They, like most everyone else, care about themselves and simply wish to make as much money as possible, regardless of indirect harm to myself.

Apart from the political class, the government workers are made up (from my experience) of people who hate every aspect of their job and do as little work as possible. Customer service is always a treat when you call some ******* who works for the government. And it is customer service, because of all the money they steal from us.

I'm not going to try to convince anyone here, but I will try to clarify my statement about government. The worker bees in government are like the neighbors _most_ of us have around us. Their goal is to do their assigned work and get a paycheck, just like most of us. They don't make the types of decisions that form the policies that we all object to.

There are also decision-makers in various government agencies (CDC comes to mind, as well as the VA) whose main goal is to provide quality care and emergency services to the American people as part of their mandate. They don't want to take your liberties away; they don't want to control your mind. Their objective is to work out ways to do a damned hard job in the event of a local or national emergency.

Some of you are trying to paint these hard-working folks with the same brush you use to describe the policy-makers and political class who have screwed up the country. Their existence may be as a result of the problems caused by the political class, but they aren't the political class and they don't have their aims.

One of my best friends is a former Emergency Management guy from Indy who is just below super-grade in the VA. Politically, we agree on practically nothing, but his job is to make sure VA hospitals are prepared and trained for treating mass casualties as a result of disaster, disease, or enemy action, and he has been working toward that end for the last 15 years. He's one of the guys looking for ways to supply appropriate meds to the population in the event of disaster, and it's not to pacify the population.

 

[rambone]

I disagree with tax-payer funded healthcare on general principle.
Governmental plots not withstanding.

 

[WWIIIDefender]

I can't speak to the motives of the current administration, but when I worked for the local Emergency Management Agency, in 2001 I spent two months investigating and coordinating the emergency response to the spate of Anthrax threats, hoaxes, and scares (over 138 in 8 weeks). Prior to that, I participated in a national conference on how to respond to a bio weapon or epidemic. None of the people I spoke to or worked with even whispered the thought that "meds" would be used to control the public; their concern was how to stockpile, distribute, and properly dispense appropriate medicines to protect and preserve the public in the event.

I know some of you are spring-loaded to the paranoid position, but there really are folks out there, both in the public and private sectors, who want you to be as safe from such things as possible. When people start dying by the hundreds in your area, you really want to be part of the solution instead of being part of the problem.

Yes there are, but what if everyone in the higher ups tells you its neccesary and safe. You just assume they are correct and push this potentialy dangerous cocktail on as many people as you can. Everyone on the ground level will think they are doing really good work to save millions of lives or so thier told. No one is actually going to push a dangerous drug to thier knowledge it is neccesarry and safe which lies the problem. Do I think governments all over the world kill innocent civilians for pollitical gain and agendas, YES.

 

[SavageEagle]

I can't say that this is a bad thing. As long as the postal worker isn't showing up in swat gear forcing you to take the drugs, this could be the most efficient way for local government or the federal government to distribute more than just drugs in the event of a bio/chem attack. I mean, think about it. I just read a book called "The Walk-In" in which a bio-attack is planned in the USA. detecting biological weapons is near impossible until it's used. I think I'd rather take a shot (which I'm not a proponent of) if, say, a mutated virus like tularemia was released in Indiana than deal with that kind of sickness.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Yes there are, but what if everyone in the higher ups tells you its neccesary and safe. You just assume they are correct and push this potentialy dangerous cocktail on as many people as you can. Everyone on the ground level will think they are doing really good work to save millions of lives or so thier told. No one is actually going to push a dangerous drug to thier knowledge it is neccesarry and safe which lies the problem. Do I think governments all over the world kill innocent civilians for pollitical gain and agendas, YES.

Let me ask this question. When the H1N1 scare emerged and the Feds were saying "You must get innoculated", did any healthcare professional you know take issue with that? A number of the ones I know did.

While the National Command Authority can make a decision and try to cause it to be implemented, in fact for this type of incident, the recommendation comes up through the CDC, through Homeland Security, and up to the NCA. If the NCA proposes action wildly out-of-line with what CDC recommends, I think you can pretty certain objections will be passed down through the medical community, informally, as well as up through the chain, formally.

Scepticism is healthy in the face of an unsubstantiated threat, but weaponized diseases have a deliberately long incubation period so an individual will be infectious long before becoming symptomatic. The only way to minimize the spread of epidemic disease is to isolate, treat, and innoculate (if such is possible) as rapidly as possible. Anyone who will, as a matter of principle, refuse treatment with vaccine or antidote under such conditions, needs to isolate themselves, not have contact with other people, especially if they become symptomatic themselves. If you aren't already living in an isolated area, you need to barricade yourself in your dwelling and not come out; otherwise you risk contamination and you're contributing to the problem instead of helping mitigate it. Sounds cruel, but if you contract the disease, best to isolate yourself and let it take its course without spreading it to others. Your principled choice.

 

[RomanDad]

Across the road is a bunch of white trash, possible meth heads. Next to me is a racist .... I have a hard time believing any of them would ... become a Senator.

You've obviously never met the Kennedys?

 

[lashicoN]

Let me ask this question. When the H1N1 scare emerged and the Feds were saying "You must get innoculated", did any healthcare professional you know take issue with that? A number of the ones I know did.

While the National Command Authority can make a decision and try to cause it to be implemented, in fact for this type of incident, the recommendation comes up through the CDC, through Homeland Security, and up to the NCA. If the NCA proposes action wildly out-of-line with what CDC recommends, I think you can pretty certain objections will be passed down through the medical community, informally, as well as up through the chain, formally.

Scepticism is healthy in the face of an unsubstantiated threat, but weaponized diseases have a deliberately long incubation period so an individual will be infectious long before becoming symptomatic. The only way to minimize the spread of epidemic disease is to isolate, treat, and innoculate (if such is possible) as rapidly as possible. Anyone who will, as a matter of principle, refuse treatment with vaccine or antidote under such conditions, needs to isolate themselves, not have contact with other people, especially if they become symptomatic themselves. If you aren't already living in an isolated area, you need to barricade yourself in your dwelling and not come out; otherwise you risk contamination and you're contributing to the problem instead of helping mitigate it. Sounds cruel, but if you contract the disease, best to isolate yourself and let it take its course without spreading it to others. Your principled choice.

So do you believe in liberty at all or just when everything is going perfect? Liberty is my number one priority.

Patrick Henry didn't say "Give me liberty or force me to take an inoculation against my will to save my life...or imprison me."

I know not what others chose, as for me, give me liberty or give me death.

You've obviously never met the Kennedys?

No, I haven't...but point taken.

 

[SavageEagle]

You've obviously never met the Kennedys?

Or most of the politicians from your state as well....

 

[RomanDad]

Or most of the politicians from your state as well....

I dont recall him mentioning that his neighbors were high functioning retarded?


(although, upon further reflection, that would technically apply to Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg as well.... So I reluctantly concede this round to you, sir...)

 

[rambone]

Patrick Henry didn't say "Give me liberty or force me to take an inoculation against my will to save my life...or imprison me." .

LOL!!!

 

[SavageEagle]

I dont recall him mentioning that his neighbors were high functioning retarded?


(although, upon further reflection, that would technically apply to Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg as well.... So I reluctantly concede this round to you, sir...)

I so feel for you man. I'm sorry you have to deal with turds like them.

 

[308jake]

So now the USPS workers will have guns and meds. The power to kill and heal. And they will still have to deliver the mail. Talk about OT pay.

 

[SavageEagle]

So now the USPS workers will have guns and meds. The power to kill and heal. And they will still have to deliver the mail. Talk about OT pay.

Nope, no guns. Just escorted by police if necessary. I do see how this can be a good move since the Postal Workers know every street and home in their area.....

 

[Blackhawk2001]

So do you believe in liberty at all or just when everything is going perfect? Liberty is my number one priority.

Patrick Henry didn't say "Give me liberty or force me to take an inoculation against my will to save my life...or imprison me."

I know not what others chose, as for me, give me liberty or give me death.

If you're honest, you'll look back at my posts and realize I didn't say anything about vaccinating you against your will to save your life.

I'm getting a bit tired of some of you folks throwing around this "you hate liberty" or "you hate the Constitution" stuff merely because we disagree.

What decisions you make are your decisions and I have no problem with that. Do you think you have _any_ responsibility to your community or country to take reasonable precautions to prevent the spread of disease to others? By "reasonable", I mean self-isolation; don't infect others if you get infected, etc. Those things can all be done without surrendering anything to the government - the whole burden for your survival is necessarily, and by your choice, up to you. But if everyone around you is sick and dying, it's too late to try to isolate yourself or to flee; the damage is done and running will likely only spread the disease.

 

[rambone]

I guess "hands off my health care" doesn't apply when integrated with fighting the "War on Terror."