I was not expecting any of the content of that video, that officers cry's for mercy will NEVER leave my mind. Anyone who can watch that video and not be bothered by it needs a serious psych evaluation.
I'm not going to read this whole thread to see what has been said, but just scanning it I've not seen anyone post anything that breaks the rules in any way; however, I may be wrong. If you don't like this thread, just stop reading and posting in it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW_xaTf5oqI
I said that i didn't appreciate the language in this video, and questioned if it was appropriate. You tell me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW_xaTf5oqI
I said that i didn't appreciate the language in this video, and questioned if it was appropriate. You tell me.
I'm not wasting 9 minutes on this. Can you direct me to the area you find offensive?
I was not expecting any of the content of that video, that officers cry's for mercy will NEVER leave my mind. Anyone who can watch that video and not be bothered by it needs a serious psych evaluation.
I agree, Fargo used a tragedy to try prove his point.
That vid is terribly disturbing the first time you are exposed to it. As Que mentioned, it has been posted a few times before.
That vid is terribly disturbing the first time you are exposed to it. As Que mentioned, it has been posted a few times before.
So when I said "horrifying tragedy" and "murder" you didn't expect to see a horrifying tragedy or murder?
The officer in that video had recently been departmentally disciplined for being too quick to use force. It is speculated, and I do say speculated, that had something to do with his unwillingness to use it here.
It was horrible, it was tragic, and it was murder. But that is what we are talking about here, specifically how to avoid it.
That is the biggest load of bull**** I have ever seen. You asked for an example and now you are going to complain that it was a little more real than you would have liked?
Or maybe it makes you a little uncomfortable with all your presuppositions about how such things happen and how you would react? It should.
It should make you uncomfortable, it scares the **** out of me every time I think about it. But that doesn't mean I pretend it didn't happen and it doesn't mean that I ignore the very real reality of what happens if you carry a gun but are too handwringing to use it.
If you are going to carry a weapon, you damn well better be able to handle the kind of stuff that happened there. It is what you have signed up to potentially be a part of.
Has this ever happened?
To someone that isn't law enforcement?
I'm not wasting 9 minutes on this. Can you direct me to the area you find offensive?
It's at about 5:20. I quit watching at that point. I don't care to have my family hear that kind of language while I'm on INGO. Just my opinion!
But then again, according to Hickman, I should just " grow up, and pull up my big girl panties" because that's how " military, Leo, and many Americans" speak!
First this:Hickman in the years I have lived around(alot of my famly are LEO's/Mil),carried,and trained with firearms (including military and LE) no amount of training will prepair you for any or all situations
On the other hand, I watched that video and tried to determine what I could have done differently if in that officer's place. I asked several questions about what went wrong. Believe me, there were probably hundreds of LE departments using that very same video for training.
Blah, blah, blah...
The vid had nothing to do with the point you were attempting to back up:
Originally Posted by Fargo
Consider the alternative: "You can be so scared of having to retain a lawyer that you end up being robbed/raped/killed because you were so hung up about it that you never got around to defending yourself."
I've seen the vid numerous times. I could care less about seeing it again. However, the content has nothing to do with this discussion. You posted it for shock value.
So I guess I'll take that as a no...
I can honestly say that is the most snivelly answer I have ever seen on INGO...
...There are plenty of such examples, but you can find them for yourself. I don't waste my time trying to have adult discussions...
Are you going to hand over your gun to the bad guy as well?Better question: Also, why didn't you physically get in your car, and call the cops then? You said you were about to. Drawing was always taught to me as the last possible route before death, and I would have handed him everything except the gun that is my lifeline, while attempting to gather as many details as possible. He leaves with his swag, I leave with my life. Go back in the gas station call 911 with the description of my car, name, license, car contents, etc. I think we needed the expanded version.
Seriously though, Glad you are ok. Just trying to gain insight.
I have trained at Thunder Ranch, Gunsite, Blackwater, and Saurez. Does that make my statement that Force on Force Training is a low Stress Training Event more or less creditable for you. Yes I have a LOT of .Mil Training even some from Non-US Forces, but I have tried to maintain the same amount of Civilian Training as well.sure it does in this case, MIL scenario training is much different than civilian scenario training.
Don't think you are going to see bank, supermarket parking lot, gas station or McD's drive up at MOUT
would you actually turn your back on attacker in hopes he is bluffing or you can get in the car before he clubs , knives , or shoots you . know you are armed and hopefully trained to defend yourself . thats what you do , good job op.Better question: Also, why didn't you physically get in your car, and call the cops then? You said you were about to. Drawing was always taught to me as the last possible route before death, and I would have handed him everything except the gun that is my lifeline, while attempting to gather as many details as possible. He leaves with his swag, I leave with my life. Go back in the gas station call 911 with the description of my car, name, license, car contents, etc. I think we needed the expanded version.
Seriously though, Glad you are ok. Just trying to gain insight.
Does that make my statement that Force on Force Training is a low Stress Training Event more or less creditable for you.