I have a very close friend who refuses to carry with one in the tube. He is insistent that if he gets into a situation that there will be time to rack the slide. I cannot convince him otherwise. What's really strange is he is aware of the 21ft attack time but still won't carry loaded. Just weird.
Run a drill with him. Give him a blue gun or toy gun and have it holstered. Then simulate an attack with the " hey, you got a light?" Or other false pretense to get within arms reach. Make him fight you off with his weak hand. And then you capture and trap that support hand so he can see how important being able to get your gun into the the fight with only one hand is. (and I also think carrying in that new fangled ultra hidden urban holster is a joke too for the same reason. And here is yet another reason to hate it
https://www.facebook.com/TheGunCollective/videos/994551507282773/?permPage=1 )
DISCLAIMER: I am not an Operator, Israeli Special Forces, Retired Police Officer, or any other type of expert -- just a CCW'er who reads a lot and practices as much as he can.
Ayoob once had a discussion about Israeli carry. He said that it was primarily to unify manual of arms in the army (where many armed men are all together and you are unlikely to get into a confrontation by yourself). He mentioned that he would consider Israeli carry if he was carrying certain guns without a safety (I don't remember which -- it wasn't a Glock, and it had something to do with the construction of the gun) and had to carry it "Mexican Carry" for some reason.
From reading the news reports of the stabbings in Israel, it does sound like they carry with empty chamber. Stories often go: "Terrorist tried to stab Israeli, Israeli drew and dropped gun, Terrorist grabbed gun and "tried to put it into service" (I presume this means he was racking the slide) when he was shot by another bystander".
I am thinking that Israeli carry is not a bad idea in certain circumstances, but it does work a whole lot better if you are travelling in a group of people -- if there are 10 of you, I imagine that chances are that in an attack many if not most of your side will get their guns into action. If you are by yourself...the equation changes significantly.
CARRYING ON AN EMPTY CHAMBER WILL GET YOU KILLED.
Please, please, please stop doing this. Is it honestly better to carry no gun than carry a gun that's not ready to fight when you pull it. It will get you killed. IT WILL GET YOU KILLED. The bad guys will prevail because of the head start you gave them in the gun fight. They already have the advantage of knowing when the gun fight is going to start.
CARRYING ON AN EMPTY CHAMBER WILL GET YOU KILLED.
I'm tired of good guys losing gun fights. So I beg you, please, please, pretty please stop effing hamstringing yourself. If you absolutely can't bring yourself to do carry with a round chambered, carry a revolver with the chamber under the hammer empty.
CARRYING ON AN EMPTY CHAMBER WILL GET YOU KILLED.
...carrying an unloaded gun might as well be not carrying, especially if you have someone fighting you up close where they can grab your gun.
What the police and army do maybe be different but in the IDF we carried with an empty chamber when we weren't in any kind of 'area of operation': like carrying our rifles to the mess tent or PT. While doing border patrol, not to mention being a war zone like Lebanon, we ALWAYS carried 'locked&loaded'.UT-Austin has been the flagship campus for panty-wetting about campus carry specifically and guns in general.
Has anyone ever tracked down an actual Israeli soldier, commando, Mossad agent, or cop, and actually verified "Israeli-carry" is what we think it is? One of these days I am going to visit Israel and find out for myself.