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- Nov 19, 2008
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I'm wondering if this is why "Iced Coffee" made it main stream.
Since it takes water of at least 190 degrees to PROPERLY brew coffee, are you saying that freshly made coffee should be artificially cooled immediately after brewing?
I checked my own coffee maker (Bunn A-10), and it brews at 190+ degrees, and the warmer keeps the coffee at a steady 160 degrees.
It would burn me if I spilled it on myself, even at 160 degrees.
Does that mean if i spill it on myself, Bunn should pay me money?
I have spilled coffee on myself countless times and yes it is hot. I have never been burned to the bone though or had my clothes fused to my skin.
Since it takes water of at least 190 degrees to PROPERLY brew coffee, are you saying that freshly made coffee should be artificially cooled immediately after brewing?
I checked my own coffee maker (Bunn A-10), and it brews at 190+ degrees, and the warmer keeps the coffee at a steady 160 degrees.
It would burn me if I spilled it on myself, even at 160 degrees.
Does that mean if i spill it on myself, Bunn should pay me money?
195-205 F is considered optimal if anyone is paying attention. But you don't serve it at that temperature, nor are you meant to serve it at 160. I'm surprised that your coffee machine maintains that temperature. Even so it's much lower than the 180-190 in question.
So, what is the optimal temp coffee should be held and served?
195-205 F is considered optimal if anyone is paying attention. But you don't serve it at that temperature, nor are you meant to serve it at 160. I'm surprised that your coffee machine maintains that temperature. Even so it's much lower than the 180-190 in question.
Coffee should not be "held" at any temperature. Coffee should be prepared immediately prior to consumption. I've never measured my coffee immediately before drinking it, but I'd guess it's close to 130-135. Certainly not the 180-190 in the McDonald's case.
Call me stupid if you want (I've been called worse ), but if it should be brewed between 195 and 205 yet consumed at a lower temperature how is it served immediately after brewing without holding for some time?? Not trying to be a jerk I'm just really not understanding the temp difference here.
People who still blame Liebeck for spilling scaldingly hot coffee on herself are the same kind of people who would blame a driver for getting into a 1979 Ford Pinto and accidentally backing into a pole at 10 MPH, bursting the fuel tank open, setting the car on fire, and burning to death. Should have known better than to reverse in that make/model/year of automobile. It was a well-known risk. Since they did it, they assume all the responsibility of their actions and Ford Motor Company is blameless.
The fact is, there are safety standards for corporate behaviour and when they behave outside of those standards, they do become liable for other people's accidents that cause them harm. Liebeck was not a pair of rednecks holding a push mower sideways to trim some pushes.
And it's the height of BS to claim that good coffee has to be disfiguringly, scaldingly hot.
Coffee should not be "held" at any temperature. Coffee should be prepared immediately prior to consumption. I've never measured my coffee immediately before drinking it, but I'd guess it's close to 130-135. Certainly not the 180-190 in the McDonald's case.
All this assumes that you actually care how your coffee tastes and are brewing with fresh beans that are ground immediately before brewing properly. If you're just dumping Folgers into a $10 Mr. Coffee go ahead and cook that dirtwater as long as you like. It's not as if there is any decent flavor to it in the first place.
CathyInBlue said:And it's the height of BS to claim that good coffee has to be disfiguringly, scaldingly hot. The McDonalds in question had a laundry list of county health code violations specificly about the dangerously high temperature of their coffee going back years. They chose to disregard the county health code citations, therefore they chose to assume the responsibility for 3rd degree crotch burns if someone accidentally spilled it on themselves. The reasons given for their ignoring customer safety with the temperature of their coffee was not because it was of such a high grade. It was because it was such a low grade. They wanted to force people who bought it, mostly commuters, to be miles down the road before they would be able to taste how horrible it was to reduce the incidents of angry customers complaining about their crappy coffee their employees would have to deal with.