LARGE PROPANE TANK
i am wonder if any one knows on the average how long would a 1000# propane tank last in a 1000sqft. well insulated home, the propane would be used for heating, lighting, cooking and hot water. in a very coservitve manner (WSHTF)
I have a seasonal business, lots of time to kill and just going through older posts. We have been through the Ramsey class. His Basic common sense budgeting/planning should be 1 course taught in schools. Kids graduate unprepared. Common core education is garbage. The junk silver is "poor mans gold" and great way to protect against a crash. We own some and it will always be easy to barter in addition to funding baby step 3.
... or salt.And again, you are *ASSUMING* there will be an economy that uses currency.
And for the record, everyone accepted all hard currency when there was an economy that accepted currency, from copper to gold...
Staples will always be hard currency.
The guy that can make clean vinegar in volume, or culture yeast, or has the inside track to salt/sugar/alcohol production will always have a 'Cash Cow' that makes money.
Romans paid their their troops partly in salt & wine.
Wars were fought over salt & pepper.
Nitrates, particularly bat 'guano' was a currency just like gold dust/nuggets & silver.
The English paid part of the place guard in beef, and they are still called 'Beef Eaters' to this day.
The Dutch traded large amounts of high grade iron for HUMANS in the slave trade, high grade iron had a practical use & was in short supply, with steel being almost non-existent in Africa at the time.
Crop production can always fail or rot, while shelf stable staples will always have value even when 'Precious Metals' don't.
When there simply isn't food enough to buy, you can't eat silver, gold or even diamonds.
Men with pockets full of wealth, worth millions, have died of starvation & dehydration when there simply wasn't food or water to buy, keep that in mind...
*IF* silver or gold has value will depend entirely on how far down the tubes the economy goes...
While everyone needs to eat & drink, not everyone needs a gold or silver coin to survive.
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Men caught stealing were traditionally whipped, while some punishments were more severe.
A man steals by force, commiting 'Armed Robbery' risks your life, both during & after the robbery.
This is the reason why death or dismemberment was often the punishment for armed robbery.
Trading goods or services is traditional, and if it's honest, risks no life or limb in punishment.
I say this because *MOST* people I'll try to trade before stealing, some however will need to be 'Persuaded' not to steal from you & yours.
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An agricultural & durable goods economy will spring up fairly quickly, just like there is in every underdeveloped country in the world.
Food, fuel, spare parts, food preservation supplies will all be in demand, just like there is in underdeveloped countries.
If you have water & reasonable soil, some seeds, you are WAY ahead of the game!
The guy that can make a wind or water generator, and the support equipment will have a booming business, see solar, wind or water power generation to charge battery powered devices in primitive cultures...
This is anything from a 5 gallon bucket 'Micro-Hydro' or wind/solar generation to fairly large 'Mini-Grids' that support several homes with limited power.
The guy that can build or repair existing equipment, like windmills or water generation infrastructure will draw people with something of value to get that work done, on top of selling/trading production of his/her own.
The idea is to become sustainable, to produce YOUR needs so you can produce something to sell/trade.
Trying to live in a vacuum with no outside trade is a good way to slowly starve...
The idiot idea going around is "I have a lot of guns & ammo, I can hunt"...
You and the other 250 million others with the same idea in the US, and like during the great depression, it won't be long until the 'Game' is gone.
Some think they will store 'Survival' food, but that's a finite consumable that will eventually spoil or be consumed and again you are stuck for food.
The next idiot idea is "I can filter water"...
Keep in mind that most sewage systems are gravity fed, and as soon as chemical treatment is no longer available, or power to run those sewage treatment facilities raw sewage is going to make it into surface/ground water...
That means every single drop will need to be filtered and disinfected, and that means either solar stills or fuel to boil without chemical treatment.
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This is assuming you don't already have a deep rock water well that draws BELOW surface/ground water table, deep rock being an excellent water filter.
Something that is deep enough to filter out sewage & chemicals like farm runoff & crop pesticides/herbicides, and the potential for massive chemical leaks when said grids go down.
There simply isn't enough privately (singularly owned) water well to support everyone in the US, this is simple fact.
KNOWING someone with property suitable for a deep well, and the infrastructure to get water out of that deep well will SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE your chances of survival LONG TERM...
But in the 'Me Generation', no one wants to pitch in to a co-operative as a back up plan (call it 'Plan B')
Bypassing the $10 coffee & impulse buys at the cash register, driving a car a couple years longer doesn't occur to them so they can buy into a co-operative, drilling water wells & providing power of some kind to pump that water, and having a shipping container or travel trailer with supplies on site...
Remember, manicured lawns are a human construct of the very rich that has survived and 'Trickled Down' into modern life, while gardens & collective gardening, growing crops takes manpower and that collective will have both manpower & land to grow those crops...
You would have to think 'WE' instead of 'ME', but unless you are super rich and can afford to build mega-bunkers, stock the with several years of ALL SUPPLIES NEEDED, and can pay to maintain these facilities LONG TERM (massive disposable income) you WILL have to work for a living...
And starting with a 'Farmer' gives you a big advantage since that farmer already knows how to grow crops/livestock, and has the land to support said agriculture, AND has clean water supply to do it...
It's common sense that seem to be in short supply lately...
Either you are VERY RICH, or you deal with what's in your ability to do.
A $2,500 shipping container is reasonably secure storage, and in a disaster, it keeps the rain/snow off your head.
Another $2,500 thrown into water wells & pump equipment locks down the potable water issue.
With a contract, you buy into, and sell out of your co-op.
For the price of a used car you are secured a place to go and food/water, and probably sewage treatment when you get there...
You WILL have to put in an honest days work about everyday to SUSTAIN your survival, but at that point it's no longer a question of survival and more of living within your means sustainably. (No more $10 coffee and 'Fast Food' will be rabbits & chickens)
On the other hand, you won't die of starvation or waterborne illness ---And there will be others to help with security issues...
And let's not forget what others in a co-op bring to the table, like carpentry, mechanical abilities, electrical experience,
And if nothing else, recipes so your diet isn't monotonous & two hands to do work.
Someone that can make a soap that won't take too many resources and doesn't blister hide would be a good skill to have
Great write up! I unfortunately feel that we are rapidly approaching the period where we will need these skills and a cooperative attitude to survive.
We're doomed.Great write up! I unfortunately feel that we are rapidly approaching the period where we will need these skills and a cooperative attitude to survive.
We're doomed.
Where you get this we ****, Kemosabe?We're doomed.
Chickens carry diseases that can kill your rabbits, make sure your chickens can't crap on the rabbit cages. Also, wild rabbit carry diseases that can kill your rabbits.Hoosier winter
Do rabbits stay in the shed in the winter? Are rabbits hardier than chickens? Can fur and feathers coexist in the same shed?