Have any of you read the information available concerning the atf and Mexico border gun shops and what the shop owners have been asked to do?
Have any of you read the information available concerning the atf and Mexico border gun shops and what the shop owners have been asked to do?
I've read a lot of ATF bashing on these forums regarding this case but I will say that after reading the charges, I am glad they exist and thank them for their service. Are they perfect? No, no person or organization is, but they at least attempt to keep guns out of the wrong hands so political pressure won't rise up and make it more difficult to put guns in the right hands, our hands.
But the ATF is doing their job by enforcing the law on behalf of us, the people. .
Jack wagon.
Really, enforcing what laws on behalf of us? The last time I checked, and correct me if I am wrong, MOST Americans would not have voted or contacted their elected representatives to approve of the kinds of laws they enforce. Do you really think that any law is going to keep a BG from getting a gun? Hell no, not a single law that has ever been made has ever stopped a crime from being committed. The only thing a law does is to make a certain sub-section of a populous commit crimes. If we carry a gun on school property, we become a felon, BAM, no passing go, or collection 200 bucks, nope, straight to jail as a felon. If a person was going to go to a school to "shoot up the place" do you think they care one bit about some law making it illegal to carry a gun on school property, hell no.
The BATF is NOT enforcing any laws that we as the American people ever had any say-so in enacting. So what are they doing? They are enforcing their AUTHORITY over US at whatever cost no matter what. I personally dont like to be treated like a criminal, so why should I have to fill out paperwork saying I am not a criminal, then have the shop call in my information to do a quick check to see if I am a excluded person. I shouldnt have to prove I am NOT a criminal just to buy a gun. Yea I do believe that I should be able to go into a store, pick out a gun take it to the register pay for it, and walk out to my car, whatever kind of gun, handgun, revolver, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, grenade launcher, flame thrower, whatever. No paperwork, no phone calls, no nothing, just me my money and my guns.
INGunGuy
I dont agree with that at all. How would you propose to keep the whack jobs from getting guns? At least with a background check we can eliminate at least a few crimes from being committed. With a record of criminal behavior or mental instability you cannot and should not own a firearm. No I dont agree that we should be treated like criminals when we are not. But I dont agree that ANYONE should be able to walk in pick the gun, pay for it and walk out. And I for damn sure dont see any purpose in a civilian owning a flame thrower, machine gun or a grenade launcher. Yeah they might be fun but having it "because I can" is not a legit defense. "Its my right, Its my right" To own a war machine (lol)? Who says? What gives us the right to own something like that? I agree that some gun laws are ridiculous and unnecessary but some checks and balances are always necessary. We as a SPECIES have proven that, time and time again.
There are several responses to this.
First off, remember that BATF enforces TAX laws! Got a machinegun you haven't paid the tax on? BATF is on it! Got a silencer you didn't pay the tax on? BATF will be there. Got a grenade you didn't pay the TAX on? Expect BATF at your door. BATF hides behind the guise that they are somehow concerned with "public safety." The fact is that they are concerned with tax revenue.
And don't EVEN start on how citizens have no business owning "war machines!" Firstly, "war machines" are EXACTLY what the 2nd Amendment protects. The founding fathers were not concerned with firearms to defend ourselves, since they assumed that The Peoples' right to defend their lives would forever be beyond debate. Likewise, they didn't consider hunting, since the ability to feed yourself was assumed.
Also, if you beg the government to restrict "war machines," you are asking for another Clinton Gun ban. You would be Charlie Schumer's best friend.
Say goodbye to AR15's and any EBR. Kiss your magazines goodbye if they hold more than a couple of rounds. You the idea.
I would almost bet my ass that there were laws or at least limitations on people when they inked the Bill of Rights. Would they want a mentally ill person to have a gun then? I highly doubt it. Would they want a traitor or "enemy of the state" to have a gun? I highly doubt it.
IMO, if you're in jail, you shouldn't be allowed to buy a gun. If you're not in jail, nobody should be able to prevent you from doing so.