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    You have defended immorality, and that has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment or the 2nd Amendment, or any amendments.

    Your mindset shows how far this country has fallen away from what it use to be. What made it great. If you think all this sexual immorality is freedom you are deceived.

    Pornography fuels human trafficking, and a multitude of crime along with mental illness.
    Where did you learn this sillyness?
    Do you believe that Our Founding Fathers were clean as white linen? lol
    Most were drunks, slave owners, perverts and so on.
     

    DadSmith

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    Where did you learn this sillyness?
    Do you believe that Our Founding Fathers were clean as white linen? lol
    Do you believe they weren't? Do you have proof of your belief? I can find many founders letters and statements to back up what I believe. Can you?


    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

    John Adams


    You seem to disagree with John Adams.

    He is 100% correct and our country is falling apart because the people have lost their morality and have abandoned religious beliefs.
     

    Creedmoor

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    Do you believe they weren't? Do you have proof of your belief? I can find many founders letters and statements to back up what I believe. Can you?


    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

    John Adams


    You seem to disagree with John Adams.

    He is 100% correct and our country is falling apart because the people have lost their morality and have abandoned religious beliefs.
    Im betting you believe that That Magical Spring Water, Peter Popoff hawks really will bring someone thousands in free money.

    Yea, Franklin wasn't twisted and creepy, Jefferson didnt have kids with Sally Jennings, Hamilton didnt pay being extorted with Federal funds, lets not talk about being slave owners and the extra perks that came with that, nor the volumes of alcohol that were consumed just during the time of writing The Constitution.
    Your kidding yourself.

    Politicians behaviors then, weren't much different from todays politicians.
     

    DadSmith

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    Im betting you believe that That Magical Spring Water, Peter Popoff hawks really will bring someone thousands in free money.

    Yea, Franklin wasn't twisted and creepy, Jefferson didnt have kids with Sally Jennings, Hamilton didnt pay being extorted with Federal funds, lets not talk about being slave owners and the extra perks that came with that, nor the volumes of alcohol that were consumed just during the time of writing The Constitution.
    Your kidding yourself.

    Politicians behaviors then, weren't much different from todays politicians.
    We have a difference of opinion.

    If you do not understand that pornography is immoral you, and I well never see eye to eye on this subject.

    You are for pornography even if it is the main cause of human trafficking, and sexualization of children along with a multitude of other crimes. You, and I stand apart on this issue.
     

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    Do you disagree that the principles upon which the United States was founded are found in the Bible?
    Which part? The part that condones slavery? The part that does not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, and admonishes her to remain silent? The part where it's totally reasonable for two daughters to get their father drunk and screw him? The part where children get mauled by bears for mocking bald old men? The part where the best course of action when strangers want to rape your male houseguest is to offer them your daughters? The part where you stone your daughter to death for being promiscuous?

    Yeah...I don't think the founding fathers were that ****ed up.

    :):
     

    DadSmith

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    Which part? The part that condones slavery? The part that does not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, and admonishes her to remain silent? The part where it's totally reasonable for two daughters to get their father drunk and screw him? The part where children get mauled by bears for mocking bald old men? The part where the best course of action when strangers want to rape your male houseguest is to offer them your daughters? The part where you stone your daughter to death for being promiscuous?

    Yeah...I don't think the founding fathers were that ****ed up.

    :):
    You have the right to your own beliefs even if they are unfounded and out of context.

    Is that what they teach in secular humanism 101?

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    I'm still waiting on that proof that the founders were all evil and just like what the 1619 project propaganda said they were.
     
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    You have the right to your own beliefs even if they are unfounded and out of context.
    There is no context that makes those horrible things in your book acceptable. If you think that there is, you're much worse than Larry Flynt and his ilk. Tell me how the Song of Solomon is not biblical erotica?

    Regarding the fouding fathers...it's funny how upset you are about pornography, yet don't seem to be bothered in the least by men owning other men, women and children. The very essence of human trafficking. Obviously not caused by pornography. Or alcohol. Or marijuana. Or video games. Or rock and roll. Or anything else that weak men blame for their own foibles.
     

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    There is no context that makes those horrible things in your book acceptable. If you think that there is, you're much worse than Larry Flynt and his ilk. Tell me how the Song of Solomon is not biblical erotica?

    Regarding the fouding fathers...it's funny how upset you are about pornography, yet don't seem to be bothered in the least by men owning other men, women and children. The very essence of human trafficking. Obviously not caused by pornography. Or alcohol. Or marijuana. Or video games. Or rock and roll. Or anything else that weak men blame for their own foibles.
    Love how you are deflecting away from pornography and it's evil effects on this country.
    You have a right to be a secular humanist. Its a very old belief that can be found in Greek history and many others.
    You have very limited knowledge or understanding of the Bible.
    You should study it so you at least know what you are talking about.

    Men don't own other men and women nowadays. Oh wait they still do its call human trafficking and it is tied to pornography.

    Are you another defender of pornography?

    Do you get your hate for the founders from 1619 project website?
     

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    Love how you are deflecting away from pornography and it's evil effects on this country.
    You have a right to be a secular humanist. Its a very old belief that can be found in Greek history and many others.
    You have very limited knowledge or understanding of the Bible.
    You should study it so you at least know what you are talking about.
    Absolutely amazing. You blame human trafficking on porn, and out of the other side of your mouth, praise some of the most notable beneficiaries of human trafficking in our nation's history as our "moral guides." And then have the gall to accuse me of "deflecting."

    You are very wrong that I do not understand your bible. Not only do I understand it in the context of its time (which does not excuse the atrocities therein), I also am very well aware of the whitewashing talking point nonsense bandied about by its apologists as "context." Do not make the mistake of thinking that study and understanding require wide-eyed reverence for a text as divinely inspired.

    Even the most prominent of the founding fathers saw cause to edit things in the bible that he felt were nonsense. What's your take on the Jefferson Bible, and how to you square it with a nation supposedly founded on Christianity? Whose Christianity? Which of the many squabbling denominations owns the right set of morals to save us from ourselves? Does the Pope get to chime in?

     

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    Absolutely amazing. You blame human trafficking on porn, and out of the other side of your mouth, praise some of the most notable beneficiaries of human trafficking in our nation's history as our "moral guides." And then have the gall to accuse me of "deflecting."

    You are very wrong that I do not understand your bible. Not only do I understand it in the context of its time (which does not excuse the atrocities therein), I also am very well aware of the whitewashing talking point nonsense bandied about by its apologists as "context." Do not make the mistake of thinking that study and understanding require wide-eyed reverence for a text as divinely inspired.

    Even the most prominent of the founding fathers saw cause to edit things in the bible that he felt were nonsense. What's your take on the Jefferson Bible, and how to you square it with a nation supposedly founded on Christianity? Whose Christianity? Which of the many squabbling denominations owns the right set of morals to save us from ourselves? Does the Pope get to chime in?

    Slavery was a documented established institution dating back to 1760 B.C.

    England did not abolish slavery until 1833. The United States did so approximately 30 years later.

    So are we going to get upset about all the great men in history who owned slaves or indentured servants? American Indians owned slaves. It took awhile but eventually lawful ownership of a human being was done away with.

    Nowadays the new form of slavery is called welfare.

    Unfortunately if we go by your rant we cannot accept anything from anyone in history who was a slave owner or did something that is frowned upon today.

    If you think incest by Lot and his daughters was okay you couldn't be more wrong. The bible tells it like it happened and the children from that incest became nations that have been a problem for Israel for thousands of years until this day. It was wrong they new it but did it anyway. Somehow you suggested that God put his approval on it. That wasn't the case.

    I could go through your entire rant and show how wrong you are. However, you are dead set against God and the Jesus himself said not to cast pearls.
     

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    If you think incest by Lot and his daughters was okay you couldn't be more wrong. The bible tells it like it happened and the children from that incest became nations that have been a problem for Israel for thousands of years until this day. It was wrong they new it but did it anyway. Somehow you suggested that God put his approval on it. That wasn't the case.
    Do you think that story belongs in our classrooms? Father-daughter incest? How about the Song of Solomon? A little light reading for impressionable minds.

    Anyway, getting back to your crusade against consenting adults...guess who are the biggest consumers of porn, and thus the most prolific drivers of human trafficking (by your own estimation)? Do you even have to ask? Of course it's going to be the most repressed populations raised by prudes with sticks up their asses.


    "It may or may not surprise you to find out that the US’s Bible belt states have a higher porn consumption on average.
    In fact, what we can conclude is that of the 12 known “Bible Belt” states (UT, TX, OK, AR, LA, MS, TN, AL, KY, GA, NC, SC), 9 out those 12 states land in the top 10 list for porn consumption, repeatedly, across all four data sets."
     
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    I see we are Christian enough to call people who don't share your beliefs "swine." Learn that from the bible, did ya?

    :rolleyes:
    Again you have no clue what you are talking about.

    Some people don’t appreciate what Christ has done for them. My job is not to force conversions or cram the gospel down your throat because there’s no sense in preaching the value of pearls (God's word) to those who reject it.

    What I love about INGO is we can be totally different in many lines of thought and also be in total agreement with others. Here I find we are indifferent I bet a day or two will be in agreement about something again.

    I wasn't calling you swine. I see it as I stated about.

    I've got to get some sleep if I'm going to hunt this morning. Goodnight.
     
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    All your Christ has supposedly done for me is to demand that I believe in him, or get cast into a lake of fire. Saving me from the very damnation that he has prescribed, as it were. But whatever, we will never reach even a modicum of agreement on the whole religion thing, so it's pointless to talk about it. Which is why I don't really post much on the subject, and should know better than to do so on this forum.

    Hope your hunt is successful. I spent an entire day Turkey hunting last week, had to go to 3 different Walmarts and a Kroger before I found the bird I wanted.

    :)
     

    Creedmoor

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    We have a difference of opinion.

    If you do not understand that pornography is immoral you, and I well never see eye to eye on this subject.

    You are for pornography even if it is the main cause of human trafficking, and sexualization of children along with a multitude of other crimes. You, and I stand apart on this issue.
    My personal opinion on pornography has not been stated. Again, Im a believer in The 1st Amendment.
     

    DadSmith

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    Do you think that story belongs in our classrooms? Father-daughter incest? How about the Song of Solomon? A little light reading for impressionable minds.

    Anyway, getting back to your crusade against consenting adults...guess who are the biggest consumers of porn, and thus the most prolific drivers of human trafficking (by your own estimation)? Do you even have to ask? Of course it's going to be the most repressed populations raised by prudes with sticks up their asses.


    "It may or may not surprise you to find out that the US’s Bible belt states have a higher porn consumption on average.
    In fact, what we can conclude is that of the 12 known “Bible Belt” states (UT, TX, OK, AR, LA, MS, TN, AL, KY, GA, NC, SC), 9 out those 12 states land in the top 10 list for porn consumption, repeatedly, across all four data sets."

    I guess it depends on where the news comes from as to who watches porn the most. Kansas and Washington DC according to this article.


    This article also contradicts your article.

    I guess pornhub is a big site and knows what states come to their website the most. It doesn't take a college study to figure that out.
     

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    I guess it depends on where the news comes from as to who watches porn the most. Kansas and Washington DC according to this article.


    This article also contradicts your article.

    I guess pornhub is a big site and knows what states come to their website the most. It doesn't take a college study to figure that out.
    I'm not jumping into this debate, but I do have maybe a naive but serious question:
    Does pornhub block VPNs? If not, there's no telling where their customers or whatever you call them are coming from. Or do you have to give them a credit card number, and they use billing addresses for their analytics? Which sounds creepy x 10^^100.
     

    DadSmith

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    I'm not jumping into this debate, but I do have maybe a naive but serious question:
    Does pornhub block VPNs? If not, there's no telling where their customers or whatever you call them are coming from. Or do you have to give them a credit card number, and they use billing addresses for their analytics? Which sounds creepy x 10^^100.
    I have no clue about any of this. I don't even understand what VPN is.
     

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    I'm not jumping into this debate, but I do have maybe a naive but serious question:
    Does pornhub block VPNs? If not, there's no telling where their customers or whatever you call them are coming from. Or do you have to give them a credit card number, and they use billing addresses for their analytics? Which sounds creepy x 10^^100.
    As far as this debate goes, I’m here for the :popcorn:

    But. I suspect porn sites care more about views. So would not block traffic from vpns. I mean, how else are the oppressed Saudis gonna get their porn fix?
     

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