Four Minneapolis officers fired after death of black man

[alanbarx]

Murdering? By the hundreds and thousands? Okay. That explains some things. If I believed that people were being murdered at that rate I’d be calling for some drastic change too. I think you need to go do some fact-checking. Find out for yourself 1) how many People are actually killed by police in an encounter, and 2) are they really murders?

@jamil at this point, I will do more research on the rate of people actually killed by police yearly and the best solutions some European countries like FINLAND & ICELAND used in tackling these scenarios, maybe it can be helpful if applied here in AMERICA.

 

[jamil]

All true, I was talking about the incident with floyd. Under the influence of narcotics, committing crimes and resisting. If you check all those boxes bad things are bound to happen.

Sure. It’s odds. The more you do to increase the likelihood of an encounter you’ve brought upon yourself the odds that it could go wrong. Start resisting and those odds go up drastically. Bring a deadly weapon into the mix and it’s now very likely it ends badly for someone. The odds of being killed by police when not creating a reason for the encounter is not zero. But it’s not a lot higher than zero.

 

[Route 45]

I get your point, buddy. So, that sounds normal to you, both police and doctors murdering people by the hundreds and thousands yearly?

 

[JettaKnight]

Jamil, read the post he was responding to.

@jamil at this point, I will do more research on the rate of people actually killed by police yearly and the best solutions some European countries like FINLAND & ICELAND used in tackling these scenarios, maybe it can be helpful if applied here in AMERICA.

Uh, nevermind, I guess.



Finland & Iceland use a thing called "winter". My contention is that it's highly effective. Simply look at the chaos in Florida (home of Florida Man) where they have no winter.

 

[jamil]

Jamil, read the post he was responding to.

I did. It’s really a reply to both posters, because either one saying it’s “murder” is being hyperbolic. But he said “both”. I think it’s reasonable to infer that he has an unrealistic understanding of the actual scope of police shootings.

 

[drillsgt]

@jamil at this point, I will do more research on the rate of people actually killed by police yearly and the best solutions some European countries like FINLAND & ICELAND used in tackling these scenarios, maybe it can be helpful if applied here in AMERICA.

Campingjosh is that you?

 

[jamil]

@jamil at this point, I will do more research on the rate of people actually killed by police yearly and the best solutions some European countries like FINLAND & ICELAND used in tackling these scenarios, maybe it can be helpful if applied here in AMERICA.

Not only the numbers but the circumstances as well. Especially if you’re going to compare to other countries. We should always be willing to learn from others. But we can’t be naive or facile about applications either. What Europe does isn’t always going to work in the US.

 

[Route 45]

You said “can”. This implies that they exist but for some reason people won’t do the right thing and deploy them.

We had this technology way back in 1977. There is no excuse.

 

[jamil]

Uh, nevermind, I guess.



Finland & Iceland use a thing called "winter". My contention is that it's highly effective. Simply look at the chaos in Florida (home of Florida Man) where they have no winter.

Apparently jamil inferred correctly.

 

[KLB]

@jamil at this point, I will do more research on the rate of people actually killed by police yearly and the best solutions some European countries like FINLAND & ICELAND used in tackling these scenarios, maybe it can be helpful if applied here in AMERICA.

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024 | Statista

The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with Black civilians having the highest rates of being killed by police.

www.statista.com

 

[Alamo]

@jamil at this point, I will do more research on the rate of people actually killed by police yearly and the best solutions some European countries like FINLAND & ICELAND used in tackling these scenarios, maybe it can be helpful if applied here in AMERICA.

Give you a preview:

about 1000 people total per year are shot and killed by police across the US. More white people killed than black people. As a percentage of demographic the blacks are killed about twice the rate of whites. Blacks also commit violent crimes at higher rates, and their victims are mostly other blacks. Places where policing has been rolled back have seen spikes in violent crime. Police should not get away with murder, but if you are looking for a big problem of unjustified killing to solve, starting with the cops is at the wrong end of the violence curve. There's certainly room for improvement in the police forces (like those idiots in Houston), but it's not by any means the long or even the medium pole in the tent of killings.

Last year Chicago, all by itself, had 792 homicides, of which 627 victims were black. That's nearly 80% of the total deaths by police across the entire frickin' nation. 719 of them were shootings (out of over 4000 shootings). There were 20 police shootings, resulting in 7 dead. There were also 20 civilian self-defense shootings, with 11 killed. That's 18 deaths by police/SD out of nearly 800 deaths by homicide.

If you want to solve the problem of so many black (and other) people being murdered, focusing solely on the police - and let's face it, that's what the current movement is doing -- is not going to make a bit of difference. It's already been shown in cities across the US, the way "reform" gets implemented will result in more deaths of blacks and everyone else, because it ends up meaning less police, less policing, and huge spikes in crime (again, see Chicago and any other major Democratic Party controlled city). Focusing on police shootings means you really don't give a rat's ass about black people being killed, just sticking it to the police.

 

[JettaKnight]

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People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024 | Statista

The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with Black civilians having the highest rates of being killed by police.

www.statista.com

Percentage wise, that's pretty far out of wack.

 

[KLB]

Percentage wise, that's pretty far out of wack.

I was just sharing how many people are shot and killed each year.

We all know that the per capita numbers are not the same.

 

[printcraft]

Percentage wise, that's pretty far out of wack.

 

[Denny347]

I get your point, buddy. So, that sounds normal to you, both police and doctors murdering people by the hundreds and thousands yearly?

An emotional response without basis. The use of "murder" gives it away. Murder "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another".

 

[jbombelli]

I get your point, buddy. So, that sounds normal to you, both police and doctors murdering people by the hundreds and thousands yearly?

Lol.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Reading on Fox News, your dismissed Tuesday for expressing concern about rioters attacking his home or coming after his wife and kids.

Sounds like good SA to me.

 

[printcraft]

Lol.

 

[jwamplerusa]

I do not know anything, neither do I have wealth of knowledge, I am pretty much a learner and a lover of wisdom.

IMO, the police force should develop a new technology that can be used to take down people resisting arrest, something like an electric gun, rubber bullets, anything that will take down an identified criminal/offender. Using live rounds and guns is robbing of lives and proper justice to be served to the many people that have fell victim to this misfortune.

We are now in more advanced times, I believe with proper and better investment in police education and new technologies, this mishap can be reduced drastically and there will be less news about police shooting or killing a suspect/ identified offender/criminal. I believe everybody deserves justice.

This misfortune could befall anybody, let us not be deceived by - it cannot be me, it can be anybody. The faster the government (State & Federal) work on these possibilities the better.

Thank you.

Sigh, I also want to find a pot of gold and unicorns frolicking in my backyard. Unfortunately I don't think I'm going to wake up and find either.

While I appreciate your sentiment, and your desire for less violence is laudable it just does not correlate with reality.

Others later in the thread have posted the statistics and commentary which more than make the case that the police collectively are not the problem. There may be bad police just as there are bad everything else, but collectively they are not a problem. In fact in most cases they are the only thing standing between a civil society and a depraved strong man driven he**hole.

The fundamental problem are human beings are complex animals. We are capable of being both prey and predator. We are uniquely capable of both good and evil.

I have lived a fairly benign life in a wonderfully peaceful community. I have however visited places which were not quite so nice. It doesn't take long to figure out you don't want to live in those kind of places.

If you do not have that level of understanding, of the depravity and evil human beings are capable of, I recommend you watch a couple of dozen videos off of the YouTube active self protection channel. There are a number there that will show both the good of police work and in fact officers who put themselves unnecessary risk to not take a shot that was needed. There are also the rare ones where the action taken by an officer was questionable, and that is called out.

The vast number of videos on that channel however portray the evil that humans can have toward other humans. The level of depravity, violence, wanton evil in murdering someone for a cell phone or a moped or in some cases for no apparent reason at all. Pay attention to just how quickly your world can go from a face stuck in a phone to laying on the ground bleeding and possibly dying.

I am eternally grateful I was born into a nation where men are free and liberty exist for all. A nation where I have opportunity not constrained by who I was born to, or where, or a title a relative may hold. Most importantly however I am thankful to live in a nation where I can defend myself. Where I can protect my family and myself from the evil that exists in this world.

While I am happy to pay my part, and support my local law enforcement in their duties, I do not delude myself to believe that anyone other than I will come to my aid should I need it immediately.

ETA: and while I appreciate your concern with what other nations do, I just don't care. The United States of America is governed by the Constitution of the United States of America which uniquely guarantees certain rights to be protected from the government and retained by the citizens. Finland Iceland and all of the European countries have a collective cultural history of serfdom wherein the common citizen functionally has no rights other than those granted to them by their government or their lords. Quite simply we don't do that here. If that is what you want the simple solution is to execute a department of State form DS-4080 and move there.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I also want to find a pot of gold and unicorns frolicking in my backyard.

You just need to go visit churchmouse for that. They're all over at his place.