I have used both but prefer the heavier 147 grain. I know it’s an old school round, but I think it’s more than adequate, often times I think there is too much emphasis hardware, and too little on competency.The 115gr +P+ hi-shok is quite the spectacle on gel tests.
I believe it's model number 9BPLE. That's one of the older school rounds I'd absolutely trust to be just as effective as some of the best options around today.
While some claim you have to have a bonded bullet to live through the night the Federal Hi Shock has some decent in real world shootings. Upper Thoracic hits are what matter. And as Joe and Jane Public you’re not likely to have to shoot though windows.
While you’re not wrong maybe I should have articulates a little better.I'd rather have a round that lets me shoot through my vehicle window if needed, but more importantly auto glass tests are a very good analog of bone strikes. Joe Public may not shoot through a window routinely, but how often does a forearm obstruct that upper thoracic? Does having a bullet that retains mass, thus penetration, after shattering an ulna maybe matter then?
People can, and do, prevail with bulk fmj. Most people will live through the night with a squirt gun. I don't know that conforming to the lowest minimum standard or confusing good outcomes with good decisions is our best course of action, though.
Bullet selection is low on the list of why people live and die, but I'll spend the extra nickel and get ammo that's known to hold together after glass/bone strikes, resists deflection off round bone, etc.
just curious what you carry for off hours?I'd rather have a round that lets me shoot through my vehicle window if needed, but more importantly auto glass tests are a very good analog of bone strikes. Joe Public may not shoot through a window routinely, but how often does a forearm obstruct that upper thoracic? Does having a bullet that retains mass, thus penetration, after shattering an ulna maybe matter then?
People can, and do, prevail with bulk fmj. Most people will live through the night with a squirt gun. I don't know that conforming to the lowest minimum standard or confusing good outcomes with good decisions is our best course of action, though.
Bullet selection is low on the list of why people live and die, but I'll spend the extra nickel and get ammo that's known to hold together after glass/bone strikes, resists deflection off round bone, etc.
Same here with all the new shooters out there, it never hurts to share a box or two of defense rounds.I've been switching to HST or Gold Dot. That's all I'm using for a defensive round.
The rest of my hollow points have become range fodder, and used to test new handguns for reliability with hollow point ammunition.
I've even been giving away some of it to others who do not have any defensive rounds.
They aren't bad but they aren't HST or Gold Dot in performance.
just curious what you carry for off hours?
BBI is +P HST really needed? I'd like your opinion on this.Same as I carry on duty for 9mm, 124gr +P HST, generally. Around the house, its usually just an LCR in my pocket if I haven't gotten ready to go out for the day, also HST +P. 130gr, IIRC. Less than a 4" barrel I stick with .38+P, even if .357 mag capable.
BBI is +P HST really needed? I'd like your opinion on this.
Thank you.No, definitely not needed if we're talking 9mm. Unless you or your gun just really likes one over the other for some reason, I think we're still in hair in a bear's ass territory.
I do prefer +P in .38 Special, .45 Colt, and .45 Auto, though. Assuming the firearm is +P rated. The fps gain is generally more significant and in the heavier .45s aid in consistent expansion.