Good article. After more reflection on this topic, I believe it is wrong to to call it civil forfeiture and use the civil court conviction standard if the basis for the forfeiture is criminal…That is being looked into
Do Indiana's Civil Forfeiture Laws Violate The State Constitution?
Prosecutors and law enforcement agencies say civil forfeiture empowers them to take the fruits of crime and use some of the proceeds to further other investigations. But critics say that creates conflicts of interest – and may even violate the state constitution.www.wfyi.org
-
Be sure to read this post! Beware of scammers. https://www.indianagunowners.com/threads/classifieds-new-online-payment-guidelines-rules-paypal-venmo-zelle-etc.511734/
FBI Seizes Couple's Life-Savings Without Charging Them of Crime…
- Thread starter Ingomike
- Start date
The #1 community for Gun Owners in Indiana
Member Benefits:
Fewer Ads! Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership Discuss anti-gun legislation Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses Discover free outdoor shooting areas View up to date on firearm-related events Share photos & video with other members ...and so much more!
Member Benefits:
That is being looked into
Do Indiana's Civil Forfeiture Laws Violate The State Constitution?
Prosecutors and law enforcement agencies say civil forfeiture empowers them to take the fruits of crime and use some of the proceeds to further other investigations. But critics say that creates conflicts of interest – and may even violate the state constitution.www.wfyi.org
2019 decision in favor of theft:
Horner v. Curry
The Supreme Court affirmed the judgment of the superior court ruling that Indiana's Civil Forfeiture Statute was constitutional, holding that the General Assembly may decide how and when forfeiture proceeds accrue to the "Common School Fund," which consists of, among other sources of revenue...
law.justia.com
manifest destiny
Master
If it's so civil, why is law enforcement involved? From the attachment below...
State civil asset forfeiture laws permit police to seize personal property suspected of being connected to a crime, regardless of whether the owner has been charged with an offense.
Property owners often must prove in court that their property was not connected to a crime, a difficult burden that can take months or years. The practice is deeply polarizing, with the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights calling it legalized theft, while the Drug Enforcement Agency calls it an effective tool against drug crimes. This difference of opinion has worked its way onto this year’s Supreme Court docket.
On April 17, the court agreed to review Culley v. Marshall, a consolidation of cases filed against Alabama by people whose property was seized in connection with a crime.
Supreme Court to Reexamine Use of Civil Asset Forfeiture
State civil asset forfeiture laws permit police to seize personal property suspected of being connected to a crime, regardless of whether the owner has been charged with an offense. Property owners often must prove in court that their property was not connected to a crime, a difficult burden...
www.ncsl.org
There are dozens of cases where law enforcement will board commuter trains and "sniff out" money with tactics and questions that citizens aren't legally compelled to answer. Do you believe most citizens are going to tell government goons with badges **** off? I don't. Once money is discovered it's "suspected" of being related to a crime and confiscated. How can it be suspected of being related to crime when the goons didn't even know the money was present until they used their force coerce interaction? If it's related to a crime, charge them for the crime. No criminal charges? Then it's ****ing theft!
It's civil law. LE is not enforcing civil law, only a Judge can do that.
I would say the same thing about victims of crimes. You don't get to sue the suspect in civil court, only confront them in criminal court. Criminal charges and a criminal judge can decide how you can be made whole if the suspect is found guilty. Tort reform should go deep. I actually have no dog in this fight. I won't lose a minute sleep if this went away. But I just like the hysterics.
The FBI and IRS took their play book from the mob. Good luck with that.
If your money isn't earning interest, why put it in the custody of a business?
Buy CD's, it's out of spendy hands and earning interest.
If your money isn't earning interest, why put it in the custody of a business?
Buy CD's, it's out of spendy hands and earning interest.
As an additional point to this, there should be no seizures if there is no criminal conviction. Isn’t the seizure predicated on criminal activity?
The Deep State protects its own and squashes the dissidents.
I still find it amazing that Trump ever got elected.
Easy answer to fix Indiana's problem. The law enforcement officers and the lawyer who approved it, should be personally charged for all fees and fines. If the seizure was illegal, they should be on the hook. Easy and simple answer. That why if they use it, there is such a high percentage it's legit.
Why? Is my comment not true? Am I not allowed to comment? Can you comment?
If you don’t like bitcoin then how about no comment. If you hold bitcoin in cold storage and secure your pass phrase then nobody can take your money.
I wondered the same thing. Even the piddly interest in a conventional savings account would have been a little buffer against inflation. Storage building burns down; maybe your money burns too. Bank burns, money remains safe in the account or CD.
When I bought my first house, I had to fill out a form explaining where I got the money for the down payment. I think that it had something to do with money laundering laws. Maybe there is more to their story?
Still, it seems like the FBI is taking a time.
Mr. Blenderson
Plinker
How anyone isn't redpilled on state power at this point is beyond me.
Like a 7 day waiting period?I'm thinking in terms of a "buffer" period. Kinda like, "Now just hold on a cotton pickin' minute there! WTF is going on here? Okay, we're gonna hit "pause" and see just what's what."
I can think of several .gov agencies to which that would apply, can't you?
Mr. Blenderson
Plinker
Is anyone surprised by this story? This is a tale as old as time.
FBI getting rebuked here.
“The FBI violated people’s constitutional rights when it opened and “inventoried” the contents of hundreds of safe-deposit boxes during a raid on a Beverly Hills vault in 2021, a federal appellate court ruled Tuesday.”
“The ruling by a three-judge panel of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals reverses a lower court decision in favor of the FBI. The panel found that the agency’s cataloging of the contents of the privately rented boxes, without individual criminal warrants for each, violated the box holders’ 4th Amendment rights against unreasonable searches and seizures.”
“The ruling requires federal officials to destroy any inventory records they have kept on hundreds of box holders who have otherwise been found faultless and had their physical property returned. Officials must also destroy records that have been included in a criminal law enforcement database called Sentinel.”
www.thegatewaypundit.com
“The FBI violated people’s constitutional rights when it opened and “inventoried” the contents of hundreds of safe-deposit boxes during a raid on a Beverly Hills vault in 2021, a federal appellate court ruled Tuesday.”
“The ruling by a three-judge panel of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals reverses a lower court decision in favor of the FBI. The panel found that the agency’s cataloging of the contents of the privately rented boxes, without individual criminal warrants for each, violated the box holders’ 4th Amendment rights against unreasonable searches and seizures.”
“The ruling requires federal officials to destroy any inventory records they have kept on hundreds of box holders who have otherwise been found faultless and had their physical property returned. Officials must also destroy records that have been included in a criminal law enforcement database called Sentinel.”
Appeals Court Finds FBI Did Violate 4th Amendment Rights of Los Angeles Residents by Seizing Hundreds of Safety Deposit Boxes without 'Any Legal Basis' | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals found that the FBI violated the Constitutional rights of some Beverly Hills residents by seizing hundreds of safety deposit boxes without ‘any legal basis.’ In 2021, the feds seized $85 million in cash, precious metals and family heirlooms stored in about 800...
www.thegatewaypundit.com
Far past time this happened. Civil forfeiture, absent an adjudicated order, is theft.FBI getting rebuked here.
“The FBI violated people’s constitutional rights when it opened and “inventoried” the contents of hundreds of safe-deposit boxes during a raid on a Beverly Hills vault in 2021, a federal appellate court ruled Tuesday.”
“The ruling by a three-judge panel of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals reverses a lower court decision in favor of the FBI. The panel found that the agency’s cataloging of the contents of the privately rented boxes, without individual criminal warrants for each, violated the box holders’ 4th Amendment rights against unreasonable searches and seizures.”
“The ruling requires federal officials to destroy any inventory records they have kept on hundreds of box holders who have otherwise been found faultless and had their physical property returned. Officials must also destroy records that have been included in a criminal law enforcement database called Sentinel.”
Appeals Court Finds FBI Did Violate 4th Amendment Rights of Los Angeles Residents by Seizing Hundreds of Safety Deposit Boxes without 'Any Legal Basis' | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals found that the FBI violated the Constitutional rights of some Beverly Hills residents by seizing hundreds of safety deposit boxes without ‘any legal basis.’ In 2021, the feds seized $85 million in cash, precious metals and family heirlooms stored in about 800...
If it is stored locally in a wallet they can,and have. Billions worth actually.
The US government seized $1 billion in bitcoin from dark web marketplace Silk Road
The Silk Road is still paying up, seven years after it was shut down
www.theverge.com
Department of Justice Seizes $2.3 Million in Cryptocurrency Paid to the Ransomware Extortionists Darkside
The Department of Justice today announced that it has seized 63.7 bitcoins currently valued at over $2.3 million.
The DOJ’s $3.6B Seizure Shows How Hard It Is to Launder Crypto
A couple allegedly used a “laundry list” of technical measures to cover their tracks. They didn’t work.
Site Supporter
Latest posts
-
-
-
-
Funny Political Picture/Video Thread Part 9** The other side is still making it easy!- Latest: DeadeyeChrista'sdad