To give you background, he is a former drug dealer, no criminal history, super nice guy, just has some liberal view points.
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Am I talking to a brick wall??? I feel like I'm getting no where faaaasttt..... I don't want to just cut off the conversation, but while I'm open to their opinions, its becoming clear they aren't open to mine.
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ME:so.... gun control..? we dont blame the guns but we blame pit bulls......where do we really stand? i would only hope that we look at the whole story w intellect and not jus b defensive about it..... we can own hunting weapons and personal protection guns but y do we need an AK? mac 10? etc.. And it should take more than 3 days and a... signature to get any gun!
HIM:I know you have a rough story brother, but, I'm not sure I follow the "not blame guns but blame pitbulls" line, people kill people, guns don't, guns are just devices that can be used. Guns are inanimate objects, they don't kill anyone. Same... as pitbulls
Pit bulls don't have to be mean an nasty, but can be trained that way by humans...so by that logic do you ban pitbulls because humans can't treat them with respect like they can't guns? No.
More people are killed each year by knives, fire, and doctors then guns. Your walking a dangerous line there, take away guns, and you take away more and more freedom. The more freedom you take away the less we have, and the more government control we have. And the more government control we have the LESS control we have. And if you take away guns, I'd also take a way cars, boats, cigarettes, alcohol, knives, batteries, razors, bikes, motorcycles, swimming pools(death pits).
More children die every year by drowning in unattended mop buckets than die by firearms left out (negligently) in the reach of children. Do we ban mothers for being forgetful for not putting the bucket away after cleaning? Or do we ban buckets? OR do we educate them.....
I carry a firearm because I don't trust the police to protect my family/friends/loved ones in time, I don't trust the group of 6 guys on the corner, they never have come on time for me. I will PROTECT MYSELF.
Eliminating guns is NOT the answer, the answer is societies ethics and morality.
I will not have my guns banned just because other people can't handle them. The fact is if you ban guns, the criminal will just find something else to use. And in fact, the criminals already mostly use other weapons.
Sincerely,
Held up by a bowie knife, and assaulted by bloods and left in the middle of ohio street downtown indianapolis to bleed to death(NO GUNS) before I got my license to carry
ME:not saying ban guns but stricter gun policy..yes we have freedoms & no one is trying to take that way just having a 30round clip in a hand gun..why do u need that many rounds in a hand gun?? Also ur right education is a huge factor & mayb that should b a requirement to carry a gun. Also @least w/ the care of children we have CPS..we don't have a WPS to make sure guns r out of the reach of children & not stolen..
HIS FRIEND:Whats wrong with 30 round magazines? That's like saying we should ban pit bulls and keep golden retrievers. Both dogs, just different temperaments so you have to treat them differently. The problem is, the moment you start banning things, l...ike 30 round magazines, you start banning more and more. It becomes, 20, then 10, then 5, then 1, then your just carrying around metal with a trigger. Why do you not need so many rounds? Not everyone buying these magazines are going out trying to murder 30 people, I've used them to practice in a handgun so I don't have to reload as often. That is the reason for those magazines in existence in handguns.
I'm fine with education, and I think its a great idea.
We do have a WPS its called the ATF, and CPS is corrupt as ever anyway. 5 years in social services has taught me that.
But as always morality and people's hearts are the problem. At the end of the day, any argument aside, if someone has evil in their hearts, they will do wrong with whatever device, or bare fist they have. Gotta go at their hearts!
ME:I'm sry but when u got kids killing kids with guns they never shouldn't had in the first place there's a problem I'm glad this dudes got his permit but what about the thousands of other ass holes that don't if there wasn't a firearm problem... the cops wouldn't need guns and u wouldn't feel like u needed to carry one I mean he'll u a cop cus if not that's just one more problem gun in the hands of a peson that thinks they need one i mean he'll your 100% more lkely to shoot someone for no reason or accident than any of us that don't carry and that's a big problem cus now u can shoot somebody cus u get jumpy because a permit doesn't make u mentally stable when it comes to fear
HIM:So because there are "thousands of other ass holes" I should be left defenseless? Like I said, gun or not, people who plan to do wrong, will use whatever they can to hurt someone. Knife, fist, rock, water, fire, you name it. Please read all... of my posts, not just the parts you disagree with.
And don't call me jumpy or paranoid, I learn by experience.
And why are you saying I'm 100% more likely to shoot someone for no reason now? What does that even mean?
ME:ATF is doing a ****ty job..CPS yes is corrupt..but Golden Retriever compared to a pitbull?? Right to Bare Arm was written when a gun took average of 20 mins to load..but u avoid the question didn't ask what is better but y we need 30 rounds in a handgun unless ur in the miltary, zombie's attack or ur a horrible ****ing shot..or a 9 yr old gunning down ur classmates bc they made fun of u..mayb we should also b working on getting kids back to the mentality to fight w/ fists not guns.that death is final & The consequences that go w/ killing another human being..
I didn't avoid any questions Kailei, I explained why I used them. Calling me a bad shot isn't going to solve anything.
And again we go back to education, which we both agree is a fine place to be!
You all are starting to get extremely disrespectful here, I'm talking, your arguing and using profanity. Keep it civil please
Am I talking to a brick wall??? I feel like I'm getting no where faaaasttt..... I don't want to just cut off the conversation, but while I'm open to their opinions, its becoming clear they aren't open to mine.
Help?