didn't engage until he believed the perps were going to get away.
So you have no point then?
I love the way the media plays it, posting pictures of the innocent looking, sweet little girl. But the media has to play their slanted part to the end.
I didn't say what the guy did was right or wrong. I said the kids are dead because they broke into his house. So even though the guy was wrong, they are STILL DEAD.
I'll bet if they hadn't broken into his house they'd still be alive. What do you think?
Also ref. Joe Horn.
Which is one reason you shouldn't break into someone's house. There may be a crazy old man with a gun! Just sayin'.No. Absolutely not. The kids are dead because the old man did not have the common sense enough to see that they did not have a weapon and just hold them there at gunpoint until he could call the police and wait. Instead he acted like a crazy old man with a gun.
I disagree. If someone breaks into my house I have to assume that they have already weighed the risk of losing their life, and thus taking mine, to get what they want, whether it be money for drugs or my wife. Yeah, I'm justified in shooting them dead.Just because someone breaks into your house just does not justify (even though it may be legal to do so) someone shooting them until they are dead.
Which is one reason you shouldn't break into someone's house. There may be a crazy old man with a gun! Just sayin'.
I disagree. If someone breaks into my house I have to assume that they have already weighed the risk of losing their life, and thus taking mine, to get what they want, whether it be money for drugs or my wife. Yeah, I'm justified in shooting them dead.
If they hadn't broken into his house, they'd still be alive. Like kutnupe said, "they manufactured their own fate by breaking into someone else's home." It just happened to be a crazy old man.
Ok so you are saying it is ok to shoot an unarmed 13yr old girl/14yr old boy/80yr old woman, etc????
If so then you have no business with a gun yourself if that is your mental capability.
Ok so you are saying it is ok to shoot an unarmed 13yr old girl/14yr old boy/80yr old woman, etc????
If so then you have no business with a gun yourself if that is your mental capability.
You're losing focus. Root cause analysis. These actors were responsible for their own fate.
Well that seems like one of the more obvious things I've seen today.
....However, the focus of the thread seems to be what the shooter was thinking and how he should be treated. The fact that the perps' bad choice cost them their lives is clear, but to me, it is just as clear that the shooter was wrong, criminally wrong. The original bad choice does not change that in the least. The teens' bad choice does not mean that whatever happens after that is justified. Not even close. They are dead, partially, because of their own mistakes and partially because this man thought "defend" meant "execute if I want to."
We will never know, but without the "finishing shots" they may have survived. In fact, as he gut-shot them....before he could see if they had weapons, prompt medical attention may have had a decent chance at saving them. He made sure there was NO chance, and for that, he should be justly punished.
The fact that the perps' bad choice cost them their lives is clear, but to me, it is just as clear that the shooter was wrong, criminally wrong.
Save it Griffin... You are a flat out liar if you tried to tell me that it would be OK for me shoot up then assassinate your kids if they were to come into my home UNARMED under the same scenario.
The old guy was obviously "off his rocker" and the proof in itself are the quotes of what he said to the investigators. No mentally stable person says crap like that. The guy acted like he was reliving Vietnam all over. He was in his basement with 2 unarmed kids, one of them a girl no less.
No. Absolutely not. The kids are dead because the old man did not have the common sense enough to see that they did not have a weapon and just hold them there at gunpoint until he could call the police and wait. Instead he acted like a crazy old man with a gun.
Just because someone breaks into your house just does not justify (even though it may be legal to do so) someone shooting them until they are dead.
If a 13yr old little girl broke into your house and had nothing in her hands would you shoot her? Would it be OK to do so, in your warped mind? If a 14yr old boy walked into your backdoor and had no weapons would it be ok then? How about a 16yr old girl or boy? Where does it stop? Where is the cutoff? How about if a 80yr old unarmed man/woman opened your (unknown to you) unlocked front door is it then ok to unload a magazine on them? 65? 55?
"Though Kifer was "already hurting," she let out a short laugh, Smith told investigators. He then pulled out his .22-caliber revolver and shot her several times in the chest, according to the complaint."
If this statement is true I wonder if the kid was laughing because she was thinking along the lines of... I got you now you stupid old man, you shot me and I am going to sue you for everything you have.
if they broke into your home i say you do have the right. her being female doesnt mean anything. he might be a little crazy of he might have still been upset someone broke into his house to say hi to him.