You must be new to INGO.Also personal attacks in a discussion... tisk tisk. Win your argument another way.
You must be new to INGO.Also personal attacks in a discussion... tisk tisk. Win your argument another way.
Wasn't intended as a personal attack. Just an observation and a ponderance.Save and invest. Live way below your means. Be charitable when you can. And when it is your time to go, have the dignity to not be a drain on others, or be able to use the money you saved or invested to secure your own health. Work to live, I think is the saying.
Also personal attacks in a discussion... tisk tisk. Win your argument another way.
I pretty much agree with that, but I know you realize there is always the possibility that we can live by those words and still find ourselves in a situation where we aren't able to care for ourselves any more, but are still alive. What then?Save and invest. Live way below your means. Be charitable when you can. And when it is your time to go, have the dignity to not be a drain on others, or be able to use the money you saved or invested to secure your own health. Work to live, I think is the saying.
Also personal attacks in a discussion... tisk tisk. Win your argument another way.
I don't know about a persons worth but, I have an issue with those that we have to subsidize or cover everything with making bad choices in life along with those that have never been productive in life. Family and churches used to be the supporters to most.Saving and investing and living below your means is sound advice, but catastrophic circumstances can happen to anyone. Personally I don't believe a person's worth is determined by their balance sheet.
Are we talking still able to physically do something, or we talking vegetable? Are they not even able to babysit? Cause if someone is next to a vegetable, is it really living?I pretty much agree with that, but I know you realize there is always the possibility that we can live by those words and still find ourselves in a situation where we aren't able to care for ourselves any more, but are still alive. What then?
personal attack? Hardly.Also personal attacks in a discussion... tisk tisk. Win your argument another way.
Are all elderly people wise? And what is the value of the wisdom. A young woman looking to become an architect might value the wisdom of an elderly architect. However does that wisdom transfer over with modern building codes? Is that wisdom just as valuable to a young man looking to improve his cooking skills? The elderly as teachers, this could be valuable, but unfortunately some even lose that wisdom with time. And then you have the negatives of the elderly as teachers, for if they are teachers, where do the new teachers go to. Was man even meant to live as long as people are living? Was the average life span even supposed to get as high as it has?Besides the financial side, which can be because of poor life choices or things that occur outside of a person's ability to control them, should young people look to the elderly for wisdom?
OK, let's assume that a person is in the category of "alive, but it's debatable whether it's really living", but with no assets and nobody willing to step up to take them in.Are we talking still able to physically do something, or we talking vegetable? Are they not even able to babysit? Cause if someone is next to a vegetable, is it really living?
The answer is 5 by default. This is why it is important to be active in your little community and build up emotional equity with those in your community/church/family. Make it so people love you enough that even if you have nothing, they still value you enough to shoulder your burden.OK, let's assume that a person is in the category of "alive, but it's debatable whether it's really living", but with no assets and nobody willing to step up to take them in.
Should we:
1. Make every effort to give them the best life possible.
2. Make them comfortable, with reasonable care, until they die on their own.
3. Euthanize them humanely.
4. Euthanize them cost-effectively.
5. Just ignore them until the neighbors report a vile odor emanating from their home.
I remember back in the day when I used to listen to G. Gordon Liddy's radio program. He said one day that one of the failings of youth is that young people get most of their advice for life choices from other young people and not from older, more experienced people.Besides the financial side, which can be because of poor life choices or things that occur outside of a person's ability to control them, should young people look to the elderly for wisdom?
So what do you propose we do with people who are in a vegetative state? While I agree that is not living, who decides that person's fate?Are we talking still able to physically do something, or we talking vegetable? Are they not even able to babysit? Cause if someone is next to a vegetable, is it really living?
First and foremost, I am saying that no one should be forced to care for someone else in any way. To think other wise would be to advocate for slavery.So what do you propose we do with people who are in a vegetative state? While I agree that is not living, who decides that person's fate?
My MIL was confined to a wheelchair from the time she was 25, she was unable to work and was on disability. Should we have just let her starve and die?
IMO, your statements are bordering on advocating that we just let the elderly or infirm die off and not take care of them.
In the novel "A Man Called Horse", during the time that the main character is living with the Indians, but with no social standing with them, he sees an old woman die in the cold because she was old and had no family. The other Indians weren't totally unsympathetic, they just considered it an unfortunate, but unavoidable thing in their world. Letting her die was their way, and for them it was moral.The answer is 5 by default. This is why it is important to be active in your little community and build up emotional equity with those in your community/church/family. Make it so people love you enough that even if you have nothing, they still value you enough to shoulder your burden.
But no one should be forced to shoulder the burden of anyone else. That is not moral. Chosing to is a completely different story.
The fact is that big numbers have no children and no one to take care of them.OK, let's assume that a person is in the category of "alive, but it's debatable whether it's really living", but with no assets and nobody willing to step up to take them in.