Dragon Talon, PLEASE either start going back and editing afterthoughts into your posts or simply address multiple concerns in a single post instead of replying a plethora of times. thanks.
I bought a handgun at Gander Mountain in Greenwood once. After the sales transaction the salesman said that I had to be escorted outside and that I couldn't have my new purchase until I was out the door. If I knew that this was their policy I never would have bought the gun. Didn't like the way it made me feel and it ticked me off. I can be trusted to buy a firearm from them but I can't be trusted to carry it through the store.
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Depends on the time of day and how long I have been riding, if your not a 300lb tattooed leather clad biker that apparently scares people at Denny's you wouldn't understand. Sweat plus leather plus miles of open roadplus lets not forget that evil gun equals a possibly olfactory offensive man.
Thanks man, +1 rep. I always wondered how the hell that worked.
As to this point: many years ago, I was taking a self-defense class. They were teaching hand to hand knife fighting that day, and the instructor asked one of us to show how we think we should hold a knife in a defense posture. The kid stuck his arm out in classic West Side Story fashion, waving it in front of him.
The instructor said, "your mistake is that the knife is now your identity, your opponent sees the threat and can counter it." He then showed various techniques where the knife has held in ways where it's sudden appearance would be both surprising and effective.
Fear has nothing to do with my decision to not open carry. It's bad tactics, it's illogical, it draws to much attention. You choose to protect your rights by scaring soccer moms in Walmart? I don't feel the need to scare anyone. I am confident knowing I can defend myself.
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Notice on the State Form, it says CARRY, not specifying OPEN OR CONCEALED, whatever you see fit, use your own personal judgement.
Spasmo and I took a trip up to Cabela's in Hammond this afternoon. It was warm outside, so I took off my cover, exposing my XD worn IWB but oustide my tucked-in shirt.
We shopped in the store for maybe 30 minutes, acquiring maybe $150 in prospective purchases. We weren't bothering anybody, and in fact prior to entering the store had a friendly conversation with a couple from Michigan who had inquired about my pistol.
Eventually, a store employee came up to me and asked me if I was a police officer. I said no, and she told me that her "AP" (whatever that is) said that I have to leave. When I asked her why, I was told "Because we shouldn't have to look at that" pointing at my pistol. Apparently, unless I'm a LEO, having a visible pistol is highly offensive. I told her that Cabela's stated corporate policy was to follow the laws of Indiana and she insisted again that "we shouldn't have to look at that and my AP says you need to leave". I'll also note that they had a sign posted similar to Gander Mountain's sign, regarding checking any firearms, but LTCH holders were exempted. After the exchange, I said "Fine. We're leaving." I put my selections down and we walked out.
Now, I'm not complaining about being asked to leave for carrying a firearm (although I feel I have every right to complain about that). No, what I'm really upset about is that not only is Cabela's staff just not getting the message from their corporate officers, but that they decided to treat me like a second-class citizen. "We shouldn't have to look at that". Really, Cabela's? You sell firearms but you shouldn't have to look at someone actually carrying one? What kind of ridiculous ******* hypocrites are you?
They've had plenty of chances to change their attitude, but it seems repeated complaints to the corporate office have resulted in little or no action. Cabela's publicly-stated corporate policy is crystal clear but the local store management continues to completely disregard it. They won't see another dime of my money and I urge the rest of you to boycott them as well. It's clear that they aren't interested in our business anyway.
Do you guys honestly think that because there is a "policy" statement for the corporation, that local managers could not use their own judgment, and be supported by corporate? At the end of the day, they have to make the call that they feel is the best for their customer base as a whole, not the minority that want to open carry.
They have the right to boot anyone out, for any reason. If you go in there dressed in clown makeup, with a swastika tattooed on your forehead, singing broadway show tunes, you are gonna get thrown out. Now, do you have the right to be a singing nazi clown? Absolutely! See how that works?
And for dragging 20 of your buddies in for an open carry day? They probably won't give you any flak, sure, because you are intimidating them. People with exposed guns tend to do that, especially when there is a gang of them, and you are unarmed. And most of them are female. If that is your goal, congratulations, you can scare unarmed cash register ladies. Woo.