No I wouldn’t. Because I would rather then experience freedom over tyranny. Even if it is less safe.Would you want to prevent the consequences if was a danger to your children, family?
I believe the daughter was drug tested many times in a similar time frame because she was in the orchestra...I graduated HS in 2005. Drug testing was implemented for school sports, when they tried to do us (the band kids) our director said no...he didn't want to be down half the band.
You and I disagree. What is that freedom worth to you? 1 child, maybe 2?No I wouldn’t. Because I would rather then experience freedom over tyranny. Even if it is less safe.
Would you want to prevent the consequences if was a danger to your children, family?
I agree that this is a parenting issue. Like it or not, parents are the ones responsible for their childs safety, not a school. If you do pass off care of your child to a government entity, in the end it’s still your responsibility. Just ask any of the parents that lost kids in the school shootings. I would suspect that even though they are suing gun companies and whoever they can, at the end of the day, and for the rest of their lives they will feel responsibility for their kids dying. Don’t take this the wrong way, but the parents trusted the school with their child’s safety, and at the end of the day they made the wrong decision.You and I disagree. What is that freedom worth to you? 1 child, maybe 2?
We're talking about a "possible random" drug test to prevent teens from doing drugs at a homecoming or before. How is that infringement on your freedom? An infringement so bad that you'd be willing to sacrifice a child just to stop them from doing a test.
The real problem here is not the drugs or the testing, the real problem lies with parenting.
I'm saying fentanyl is a synthetic opioid that does not get metabolized into the substance a standard urine "opioid" screen is looking for, so it evades detectionAre you saying opioids arn't tested for in a urine drug test?
A standard 5 panel drug urine test is the drug test most frequently used by government agencies and private employers. A 5 panel drug test typically tests for commonly abused substances, including THC, Opiates, PCP, Cocaine, and Amphetamines.
It's my job as a parent to handle this, not the school's.Would you want to prevent the consequences if was a danger to your children, family?
Another one that is happy to have the government enforce the restrictions they approve of.You and I disagree. What is that freedom worth to you? 1 child, maybe 2?
We're talking about a "possible random" drug test to prevent teens from doing drugs at a homecoming or before. How is that infringement on your freedom? An infringement so bad that you'd be willing to sacrifice a child just to stop them from doing a test.
The real problem here is not the drugs or the testing, the real problem lies with parenting.
That sort of thing never entered their minds (Class of 58)!Jeez, if they'd have done that at our school (class of '78), they would have cut the enrollment by over half, and probably wouldn't have had any sports teams whatsoever.
Freedom is easy to corrupt In the name of freedom.Not sure if everyone understands what is happening here (everywhere).
For decades I have heard the arguments, the pointed fingers, the accusations and oh so many excuses; but yet, here we are. Drug abuse is a major problem, and has been for decades.There comes a time when people who fail to do their job forfeit their responsibility to another. There comes a time when the folks who want freedom so much they allow others to steal their freedom in the name of freedom; there is little or no freedoms left.
Fight for freedom? How? Stand for freedom? How? Allow everyone to do whatever they want in the name of freedom? Freedom is not allowing anyone to do anything. It's not about arguing against restriction for the safety of the majority.
What I see here, sorry to say, is some people want the freedom to do drugs and are willing sacrifice whatever it takes to obtain or keep that desired freedom. I have not seen responsibility practiced in a large enough environment to be convinced the outcomes can be acceptable, with minimal consequences.
We have family rules, societal rules, government rules for a reason. Yes, they can be (and are) taken advantage of but that is where "we the people" come in play. We need to make sure rules are not abused.
Sometimes denying rules can be as abusive as enforcing rules.
The real problem here is not the drugs or the testing, the real problem lies with parenting.
Drug abuse is a lot older than decades. Laws against use of drugs do nothing to stop addiction. They never have and never will. We had a great lesson in how prohibition fails, but rather than learning from it the government doubled down with the new target.Not sure if everyone understands what is happening here (everywhere).
For decades I have heard the arguments, the pointed fingers, the accusations and oh so many excuses; but yet, here we are. Drug abuse is a major problem, and has been for decades.There comes a time when people who fail to do their job forfeit their responsibility to another. There comes a time when the folks who want freedom so much they allow others to steal their freedom in the name of freedom; there is little or no freedoms left.
Fight for freedom? How? Stand for freedom? How? Allow everyone to do whatever they want in the name of freedom? Freedom is not allowing anyone to do anything. It's not about arguing against restriction for the safety of the majority.
What I see here, sorry to say, is some people want the freedom to do drugs and are willing sacrifice whatever it takes to obtain or keep that desired freedom. I have not seen responsibility practiced in a large enough environment to be convinced the outcomes can be acceptable, with minimal consequences.
We have family rules, societal rules, government rules for a reason. Yes, they can be (and are) taken advantage of but that is where "we the people" come in play. We need to make sure rules are not abused.
Sometimes denying rules can be as abusive as enforcing rules.
I had to quote this part again. If that is what you see, you are blind. I know a lot of those that have spoken against prohibition here have stated they have no desire to take drugs legal or not. I have never taken any illegal drug, nor do I drink alcohol for the most part.What I see here, sorry to say, is some people want the freedom to do drugs and are willing sacrifice whatever it takes to obtain or keep that desired freedom. I have not seen responsibility practiced in a large enough environment to be convinced the outcomes can be acceptable, with minimal consequences.
The community wasn't forced to take this action. Someone with the school chose to.I have found over the years that it gets quite touch and go when folks are reminded that it's a parent's responcibility to parent their children.
The only reason we are discussing this is that the community is forced to take action when "parents" refuse to accept their responcibility to parent.
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except that when society/taxpayers have to cover rehab, narcan, hospital expenses, burials, increased crime along with the victims, survivors of car wrecks by addicted drivers, the cops needed to respond, not to mention the children/foster parents/DCS caseworkers, just to mention a few.Freedom is letting people do stuff that you don't like that doesn't hurt other people. There is no more reason to stop a person from taking drugs than to stop people from participating in extreme sports. It isn't the government's job to protect people from themselves.
To narrow it down,Drug abuse is a lot older than decades. Laws against use of drugs do nothing to stop addiction. They never have and never will. We had a great lesson in how prohibition fails, but rather than learning from it the government doubled down with the new target.
I had to quote this part again. If that is what you see, you are blind. I know a lot of those that have spoken against prohibition here have stated they have no desire to take drugs legal or not. I have never taken any illegal drug, nor do I drink alcohol for the most part.
Freedom is letting people do stuff that you don't like that doesn't hurt other people. There is no more reason to stop a person from taking drugs than to stop people from participating in extreme sports. It isn't the government's job to protect people from themselves.