I don't believe use of alcohol and being armed automatically exclude each other.
I agree. However, it all comes down to common sense. If you have your full wits and comprehension abilities about you, shouldn't matter.
I don't believe use of alcohol and being armed automatically exclude each other.
I agree. However, it all comes down to common sense. If you have your full wits and comprehension abilities about you, shouldn't matter.
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Bar, Low light, crowded, lots of movement & Intoxicated shooter is recipe for disaster...
Thank you. I mean that sincerely as someone who has worked a lot of bad results from people with poor judgement. Both for not driving when another sober driver was available, and for having the maturity to know your limit and taking care of your weapon before your judgement was altered. The person drinking is the worst person to judge how affected they are.
Q: For Prometheus , When I use the wording "drinking" I mean Drinking in which the person becomes legally intoxicated. You keep on saying you know your limit, blah, blah blah... Thing is at a bar YOU have NO way of controlling how many drinks others may be consuming beyond those in your party. Others may be over the limit that are packing.
When you are legally intoxicated.
It is a known fact your thought processes and analytical skills are impaired.
Versus being put in a box and carried by six of your friends?If you are involved in a shooting samples of your blood, urine, etc will be taken and that will be used against you in court.
Bingo, we have a winner!
Bar, Low light, crowded, lots of movement & Intoxicated shooter is recipe for disaster.
OP did the right thing by separating himself from the firearm.
For those that drink, and keep the gun on you.... Good luck on that, if you are intoxicated more than likely you will be disarmed, maybe getting shot with your own gun. If you get some shots off you are going to jail / would be in for many thousands of dollars in legal fees. If you hit a bystander which would be REAL easy to do in a bar you would be in so much do-do you'd never see the light of day.
PS: The below cams appear to be picking up IR /are low light cams so to the naked eye the ambient light level would be what you'd expect in a bar.
Now for those that say Drinking and Firearms mix, say for example someone had shot your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend in a Bar shoot-out.... killing or maiming them....
Shooter was intoxicated= Would you say "Hey, that's OK.... or would you pursue legal action against them?
(Remember, this is your "squeeze" we're talking about- Would you press charges?)
:wtf:Seriously? I could care less if they were intoxicated, on crack, or a zombie.....I would press charges to the fullest extent of the law regardless.....BECAUSE THEY SHOT MY WIFE....not because they were intoxicated. If you reverse your question, I would assume that you would be okay with a loved one being shot in a bar as long as the shooter was sober. Read you post again and think long and hard about it.
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I rarely go out drinking anymore, we usually walk 2 doors down to out neighbors house or they walk up to our house, and we drink at home. That way we avoid any hassles that happens when you go out drinking.
INGunGuy
Q: When you're at the range, Is it allowable for those that have been drinking to fire , be handling live weapons on the range?
Firing ranges are made for the discharge of firearms......apples and oranges.
Q: What would happen from a legal perspective if someone was injured at the range by someone who had been drinking?
What does that have to do with self-defense?
Q: For Prometheus , When I use the wording "drinking" I mean Drinking in which the person becomes legally intoxicated. You keep on saying you know your limit, blah, blah blah... Thing is at a bar YOU have NO way of controlling how many drinks others may be consuming beyond those in your party. Others may be over the limit that are packing.
Even more of a reason not to ditch the gun.
Q: Say for example someone had due to their being intoxicated had shot your wife/girlfriend/son/daughter/ boyfriend in a Bar shoot-out.... killing or maiming them....
Would you say "Hey, that's OK, poor guy couldn't hold his liquor... he should have known better.... or would you pursue legal action against them?
Would you press charges /seek payment for medical or burial costs of your loved one?
Once again, this is about the dumbest arguement I have ever heard. I am not trying to offend you, but you really need to read this again and again untill you realize how ridiculous it is
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So do you lock your guns up when you are drinking at home? Just curious because I don't see the difference.
Q: When you're at the range, Is it allowable for those that have been drinking to fire , be handling live weapons on the range?
Firing ranges are made for the discharge of firearms......apples and oranges.
Think about the Four Rules, especially Rule #4: Know your target and your backstop.Q: What would happen from a legal perspective if someone was injured at the range by someone who had been drinking?
What does that have to do with self-defense?
That is correct, they are. And my range has very clear signage in place that those who are under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs are not permitted in the range area. Doesn't yours?
Think about the Four Rules, especially Rule #4: Know your target and your backstop.
Granted, you have to be alive to either feel badly, be sued, or be taken to court criminally, but surely you understand that if you do happen to miss a shot and hit someone else in the bar, any alcohol in your system (rather than the BG moving just at the right time by chance, etc) will be used to describe the reason for the miss. I don't know if that's right, wrong, or indifferent. I know that I choose to simply not drink, armed or not. Personally, I don't think being armed at all while drinking is a good idea. I don't advocate law on this point, I just think it's a bad idea. So, since being armed is so important, if asked, my advice would be to keep the gun and forego the drink(s).
Blessings,
Bill
If someone was 2 put you in a situation where your life was in danger , what are you going 2 do puke up 32oz of xx on em!!!
Legally intoxicated... you mean I can carry at .07 but not at .08? Again, you are creating strawmen and pitting one against the other. What is a KNOWN FACT is that the state is broke and they make (on average) $4,500 profit from every DUI/DWI. Science shows that many, in fact most, people don't show response delayed enough to cause any danger until .1 It's just like 65mph is perfectly safe and 66mph is a crime.
The need for these insane and arbitrary laws allow for people to not think for themselves nor take any personal responsibility. Which is exactly what you are advocating.
Versus being put in a box and carried by six of your friends?
Get over it and yourself.
Place RESPONSIBILITY first and all these issues sort themselves out.
As to the rest of your silly questions, they can all be answered the same way and they will all involve the world "responsible" or a variation of it.
P E R S O N A L R E S P O N S I B I L I T Y
It's honestly not that hard of a concept.