So I was traveling yesterday in OH which is a must inform state. I was a passenger in a vehicle and sometimes carry on these trips. (typically only when I am flying solo) Although we saw lots of police (including two stops on I70 with trunks popped and perps being handcuffed) we were not stopped. Two close calls, but no stops. Which got me to thinking...
As a passenger, do I have to inform in the event of a stop for a moving violation? Or am I allowed to keep my bacon hole shut until the officer decides to involve me in the stop by asking for my ID as well? Not that he necessarily should since I am merely a passenger and have done nothing wrong, but we all know there are "those officers" out there that like to go fishing. The driver is not armed, and not aware of my weapon (or for that matter that I EDC. She knows I train and shoot IDPA and thats it) and has no need/duty to inform herself.
My gut says that until I am addressed specifically and asked to identify myself I keep my mouth shut as I am not part of the interaction at that time and am merely a witness/bystander (bysitter? ). Once he asks for my ID I include my permission slip and inform at that time.
My reason for asking is typically this driver is my boss, who isnt exactly gun friendly. Not anti per se, just the type that sees no need for carrying, doesnt pay attention to politics or vote, or get involved in anything outside of bowling or work. She lives her life in her little workaholic bubble, oblivious to the world around us. So oblivious I dont even feel like trying to have the discussion about the need to EDC because she is just that oblivious. Some things are better left unsaid.
If I were to carry on one of these business trips and we were to be stopped, I really dont want to tip my hand unless absolutely necessary. I like her obliviousness. It helps our relationship flow smoothly. And I especially dont want to not say anything when I need to and cause a bigger ruckus because of it. (they ask to search the vehicle and she says "sure, I have nothing to hide!" like a good little sheeple Though if it got to that point, I get the feeling they would have asked for my ID by then... )
As a passenger, do I have to inform in the event of a stop for a moving violation? Or am I allowed to keep my bacon hole shut until the officer decides to involve me in the stop by asking for my ID as well? Not that he necessarily should since I am merely a passenger and have done nothing wrong, but we all know there are "those officers" out there that like to go fishing. The driver is not armed, and not aware of my weapon (or for that matter that I EDC. She knows I train and shoot IDPA and thats it) and has no need/duty to inform herself.
My gut says that until I am addressed specifically and asked to identify myself I keep my mouth shut as I am not part of the interaction at that time and am merely a witness/bystander (bysitter? ). Once he asks for my ID I include my permission slip and inform at that time.
My reason for asking is typically this driver is my boss, who isnt exactly gun friendly. Not anti per se, just the type that sees no need for carrying, doesnt pay attention to politics or vote, or get involved in anything outside of bowling or work. She lives her life in her little workaholic bubble, oblivious to the world around us. So oblivious I dont even feel like trying to have the discussion about the need to EDC because she is just that oblivious. Some things are better left unsaid.
If I were to carry on one of these business trips and we were to be stopped, I really dont want to tip my hand unless absolutely necessary. I like her obliviousness. It helps our relationship flow smoothly. And I especially dont want to not say anything when I need to and cause a bigger ruckus because of it. (they ask to search the vehicle and she says "sure, I have nothing to hide!" like a good little sheeple Though if it got to that point, I get the feeling they would have asked for my ID by then... )