Not sure where most of the Joe Rogan talk was, but I’m just gonna leave here that I finished listening to the Dr Malone episode after having been told it was good, and that was such an understatement. It was so rich with info.
If you consider yourself a truth seeker, not an ideologue, Malone (and McCullough as well) present such logical arguments and solutions that are worthy of your time. I just can’t imagine someone listening to them, actually listening, and coming away with the idea that they are frauds.
Someone’s lying. Someone has ulterior motives. Why would anyone think blocking treatment is ok? Anyway, give them a listen if you haven’t yet.
If you're still in doubt - just listen to the credentials both Malone and McCullough have. Truly impressive and giants in there field!