If SCOTUS allows the ATF redefinition of what constitutes a machinegun to stand . . . thank the sclerotic gasping geezer NRA FUDD Traitors to the Constitution -- more worried about their bolt action hunting rifles and bird hunting break action shotguns than preserving and protecting the 2nd Amendment -- for officially and very publicly declaring a bump stock to be a machinegun. The NRA is directly responsible for this debacle -- once again Negotiating Rights Away.My biggest problem with the argument against bumpstocks is that the bumpstock is itself a machine gun. I haven't listened to the whole oral arguments so far, but do any of the justices ever ask the question, hey, wait a minute here, can the bumpstock fire anything by itself? How is it a machine gun without being coupled with a rifle. The hunk of plastic by itself is nothing.
Trump's order instructed the ATF to classify bump stocks as machine guns. They could argue that bump stocks, together with the semi-automatic rifle, effectively operate as a machine gun. You're guilty of posessing a machine gun if you have one of these things, even if you don't have a rifle to couple it with! That's redefining what a machine gun is. Am I wrong?
The ATF will then declare all AR-15 rifles to be machineguns and therefore illegal as someone can use a belt loop to bump fire it, and for the skilled, they need nothing, not even a belt loop, to bump fire one using nothing other than a semi-auto AR-15, both hands and their shoulder. Biden and his minions will be on the warpath to turn this into their desperately desired Assault Weapons of War Ban and we'll all be overnight felons filling the Federal Prison system for decades. They're already headed in that direction! Thank the NRA for this.I've always said it was a machinegun part, just like a "switch" ..it turns a semi into full auto. It doesn't really meet that definition of trigger pull, but it does manipulate the trigger for rate of fire. Until actual definition of rate of fire is changed, then a bump stock is in the gray area that really can't quit be classified a machinegun part yet even though we know it's intented purpose.
I’m not sure your argument will be effective or meaningful with the one you quoted.The ATF will then declare all AR-15 rifles to be machineguns and therefore illegal as someone can use a belt loop to bump fire it, and for the skilled, they need nothing, not even a belt loop, to bump fire one using nothing other than a semi-auto AR-15, both hands and their shoulder. Biden and his minions will be on the warpath to turn this into their desperately desired Assault Weapons of War Ban and we'll all be overnight felons filling the Federal Prison system for decades. They're already headed in that direction! Thank the NRA for this.
You are totally missing the point or points. Has NOTHING to do with the firearm used. It's all about the PARTS being used to turn or manipulate the firearm to represent a full auto weapon. The ar15 just happens to be center of attention because a specific item was made for it and it looks like an exact weapon used in the military.. just like the switch was specifically made for a glock handgun. Sooner or later, the glock most likely will fall to the same reterick the black rifle is in and a couple others in due time.The ATF will then declare all AR-15 rifles to be machineguns and therefore illegal as someone can use a belt loop to bump fire it, and for the skilled, they need nothing, not even a belt loop, to bump fire one using nothing other than a semi-auto AR-15, both hands and their shoulder. Biden and his minions will be on the warpath to turn this into their desperately desired Assault Weapons of War Ban and we'll all be overnight felons filling the Federal Prison system for decades. They're already headed in that direction! Thank the NRA for this.
You're missing the point. If a "Bump Stock" is banned, the ATF will argue that "Bump Firing" an AR-15 is banned. You can "Bump Fire" an AR-15 with a belt loop, a rubber band, a shoestring, or nothing whatsoever with a bit of practice and development of the skill. Therefore every semi-auto rifle is readily converted into a machinegun in a matter of seconds -- or less -- and therefore by statute, it's a machine gun because it requires NOTHING whatsoever to be a "Bump Fired" machinegun. Therefore all semi-auto rifles and shotguns are BANNED machineguns. Read the law. Anything readily converted into a machinegun is a machinegun. You're ignoring how desperate Biden and his ATF minions are to completely disarm everyone and they'll use every conceivable hook they can imagine or invent to do so.You are totally missing the point or points. Has NOTHING to do with the firearm used. It's all about the PARTS being used to turn or manipulate the firearm to represent a full auto weapon. The ar15 just happens to be center of attention because a specific item was made for it and it looks like an exact weapon used in the military.. just like the switch was specifically made for a glock handgun. Sooner or later, the glock most likely will fall to the same reterick the black rifle is in and a couple others in due time.
Once again you read into something not there. The wanting to ban ar15s has been on going because of its looks and before biden presidentcy. Your ridiculous comment has no bearing on a bumpstock. The PART OR PARTS to convert are whats up for the debate. You can use any ridiculous thing you state to do whatever but come back to earth and discuss the topic and not some what ifs or MacGyver made up gadgets.You're missing the point. If a "Bump Stock" is banned, the ATF will argue that "Bump Firing" an AR-15 is banned. You can "Bump Fire" an AR-15 with a belt loop, a rubber band, a shoestring, or nothing whatsoever with a bit of practice and development of the skill. Therefore every semi-auto rifle is readily converted into a machinegun in a matter of seconds -- or less -- and therefore by statute, it's a machine gun because it requires NOTHING whatsoever to be a "Bump Fired" machinegun. Therefore all semi-auto rifles and shotguns are BANNED machineguns. Read the law. Anything readily converted into a machinegun is a machinegun. You're ignoring how desperate Biden and his ATF minions are to completely disarm everyone and they'll use every conceivable hook they can imagine or invent to do so.
The law defines what constitutes a machinegun. The bumpstock does not meet that definition. It is that simple. If the government wants to ban things that make a gun shoot faster, they need to pass a law that does that in Congress and get the President to sign it into law.You are totally missing the point or points. Has NOTHING to do with the firearm used. It's all about the PARTS being used to turn or manipulate the firearm to represent a full auto weapon. The ar15 just happens to be center of attention because a specific item was made for it and it looks like an exact weapon used in the military.. just like the switch was specifically made for a glock handgun. Sooner or later, the glock most likely will fall to the same reterick the black rifle is in and a couple others in due time.
If SCOTUS allows the ATF redefinition of what constitutes a machinegun to stand . . . thank the sclerotic gasping geezer NRA FUDD Traitors to the Constitution -- more worried about their bolt action hunting rifles and bird hunting break action shotguns than preserving and protecting the 2nd Amendment -- for officially and very publicly declaring a bump stock to be a machinegun. The NRA is directly responsible for this debacle -- once again Negotiating Rights Away.
I wish the justices knew enough to ask that question. Because that's the logical conclusion. The argument they seem to be making is that a semiautomatic rifle can be turned into a machine gun using a bump stock, therefore the bump stock is a machine gun.The ATF will then declare all AR-15 rifles to be machineguns and therefore illegal as someone can use a belt loop to bump fire it, and for the skilled, they need nothing, not even a belt loop, to bump fire one using nothing other than a semi-auto AR-15, both hands and their shoulder. Biden and his minions will be on the warpath to turn this into their desperately desired Assault Weapons of War Ban and we'll all be overnight felons filling the Federal Prison system for decades. They're already headed in that direction! Thank the NRA for this.
All of this is pointless navel-gazing, out of context of black-letter statutory definition of "machine gun", which is the only thing that matters here.You are totally missing the point or points. Has NOTHING to do with the firearm used. It's all about the PARTS being used to turn or manipulate the firearm to represent a full auto weapon. The ar15 just happens to be center of attention because a specific item was made for it and it looks like an exact weapon used in the military.. just like the switch was specifically made for a glock handgun. Sooner or later, the glock most likely will fall to the same reterick the black rifle is in and a couple others in due time.
Yes. Words mean what the writers meant for them to mean when they wrote them. If later we want different meanings we should write different words.The law defines what constitutes a machinegun. The bumpstock does not meet that definition. It is that simple. If the government wants to ban things that make a gun shoot faster, they need to pass a law that does that in Congress and get the President to sign it into law.
You seem to be wrapped around the axle about "rate of fire", when "rate of fire" has nothing to do with the statutory definition of a "machine gun".Once again you read into something not there. The wanting to ban ar15s has been on going because of its looks and before biden presidentcy. Your ridiculous comment has no bearing on a bumpstock. The PART OR PARTS to convert are whats up for the debate. You can use any ridiculous thing you state to do whatever but come back to earth and discuss the topic and not some what ifs or MacGyver made up gadgets.