Coronavirus II

[smokingman]

And to put a finer point on it:

We lost 3.5% of the population to WWII. They estimate an ugly level of 6% for this outbreak worst case.

Which is worse? Losing 6% of the population, yet the world economy continues, more or less with a bit of a hiccup, allowing the survivors to continue to thrive and maintain a solid economy and good quality of life.

Or

Doing everything possible to prevent every last death, at the expense of society as we know it? What's the use saving a relative handful* of humans that will be dead within a decade or two anyway if those that are left are worse off in the long term via a Great Depression 2.0? Will our kids barely scraping by MAYBE recovering by the 3rd decade after suffering the entire way, come out of this OK? will they have to rally around WWIII to jump start the economy? I dont know. What I do know is this smacks of the socialist/communist type groupthink that is save every last soul you can, even if it means every last one of us is miserable because of the policy. Heaven forbid somebody dies to allow someone else to live a blessed life... Gee, that sounds like a familiar story. I wonder where I might have heard it before? I'm sure if I wait a couple more weeks my pastor might remind me of that story.

*I have multiple factors that label me as high risk for this virus. So I'm coming at this as somebody that if I caught it I'm screwed at best with reduced lung capacity, Dead at worst. I'm not one of those that have no skin in the game and are most likely to escape without a scratch like some.

If they let it run it will be much higher than 6%. Look at Italy,with lock down still running right at 8%,and of those more than half are below 50(deaths and in hospital cases).

Take away social distancing and it would be closer to my worst case.

 

[Eagleed]

Corona.........beer yes, virus no thanks!

 

[ArcadiaGP]

100% fake.

Dude drank fish tank chemicals because there was a similarly named ingredient. That's not "self-medication" of "a drug"
But "REEEEEEEEEEEEE TRUMP KILLED HIM!"

 

[ditcherman]

[FONT=&amp]the R0 value is likely to be between 4.7 and 6.6.

[/FONT]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1


Also a new study on S and L types of covid-19.

https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463

Do you believe the extremely rapid increase in 100k numbers is because the L type is coming back into play?

 

[hoosierdoc]

If they let it run it will be much higher than 6%. Look at Italy,with lock down still running right at 8%,and of those more than half are below 50(deaths and in hospital cases).

Take away social distancing and it would be closer to my worst case.

That's just not true. <50 has 25% of all cases yet you say over half the deaths? So their mortality rate is triple that of those over 50?

Makes no sense. The overwhelming number of deaths in Italy are those over 65


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1103023/coronavirus-cases-distribution-by-age-group-italy/

Share of infected individuals
0-18 years 1.1%
19-50 years 25.1%
51-70 years 37.7%
Older than 70 years 36.1%

 

[ditcherman]

100% fake.

Dude drank fish tank chemicals because there was a similarly named ingredient. That's not "self-medication" of "a drug"
But "REEEEEEEEEEEEE TRUMP KILLED HIM!"

Haha yea, I didn’t read it that way at all, that someone was blaming Trump. I just read it that the dead guy listened to the presser where Trump talked about it. The article I read even used the term ‘self medicated’. So no reeeeeee from me. Maybe the OP of this article, I don’t know him.

 

[maxwelhse]

Out of of sight out of mind. The sheeple have no idea that the crap they buy from China is made in such nasty environmental conditions and if you proved it they would bury their heads in the sand. You know, kinda like how they pretend Tesla's are emissions free because they don't have a tailpipe but conveniently forget the power plant emissions...

Well, what I'm hoping for here is the sheeple are pretty keenly aware of the murder virus that China is responsible for, and as this mess gets untangled they're going to figure out this is the third time in 20 years they've sent one out into the word but the first time the media has been concerned about it at all because their guys where in the white house before. They might also notice that despite all of the raving on TV, they've still been able to buy new phones and everything else at the same price they always did even with a large tariff applied to it. That means it's a lot cheaper to make than even they realize and maybe some other country, who is not our largest global enemy, could also make it for the same price.

If the sheeple figure that out, and I believe they're going catch at least half of it (the murder virus is hard to miss), pretty soon Trump saying "F China!" like he has been for the last 3 years is going sound a lot more agreeable. We should have nothing to do with them. I've said it before and I'll say it some more, nukes worked a lot better to topple communism than money has. From the looks of things the nukes were cheaper too.

So, yes, the environmental catastrophe that is Chinese manufacturing aside, I'm really hoping that with just a little more luck and a lot more backbone we're done with those jokers. Done is probably a strong word, but reeling them in a bit for sure.

 

[Dead Duck]

It's not fake.

If you drink enough fish tank chemicals, you will NOT get the Coronavirus. EVER.

 

[nonobaddog]

That's just not true. <50 has 25% of all cases yet you say over half the deaths? So their mortality rate is triple that of those over 50?

Makes no sense. The overwhelming number of deaths in Italy are those over 65


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1103023/coronavirus-cases-distribution-by-age-group-italy/

Share of infected individuals
0-18 years 1.1%
19-50 years 25.1%
51-70 years 37.7%
Older than 70 years 36.1%

The high death rates for old people in Italy is what happens when the health care system is overwhelmed and they stop treating old people.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Haha yea, I didn’t read it that way at all, that someone was blaming Trump. I just read it that the dead guy listened to the presser where Trump talked about it. The article I read even used the term ‘self medicated’. So no reeeeeee from me. Maybe the OP of this article, I don’t know him.

I assure you, the author, Brianna Sacks, has a bright history of anti-Trump articles.

Her intention, at least to me, is clear.

 

[ditcherman]

It's not fake.

If you drink enough fish tank chemicals, you will NOT get the Coronavirus. EVER.

Good one!
right back at ya.

 

[maxwelhse]

Anybody else getting sick of getting marketing emails disguised as important updates about WuFlu related issues?

For example... I just got one from Comcast letting me know just how committed they are to keeping us all online during this coronavirus emergency.... followed up 5 pages of how they're keeping all 7800 channels up and for the low low price of blah blah blah.

I've gotten about 10 of these in my work email from assorted contacts too. Yes, thank you random software sales guy, I'm glad you're still able to take my order if I decide to buy more software.

I get it that small business might be reaching out, but these are giant, spammy, corporations sending emails with subject lines like they got them from the New York Post.

Just kinda turns my stomach...

 

[Alpo]

Quote Originally Posted by Cameramonkey View Post
And to put a finer point on it:

We lost 3.5% of the population to WWII. They estimate an ugly level of 6% for this outbreak worst case.

Which is worse? Losing 6% of the population, yet the world economy continues, more or less with a bit of a hiccup, allowing the survivors to continue to thrive and maintain a solid economy and good quality of life.

Or

Doing everything possible to prevent every last death, at the expense of society as we know it? What's the use saving a relative handful* of humans that will be dead within a decade or two anyway if those that are left are worse off in the long term via a Great Depression 2.0? Will our kids barely scraping by MAYBE recovering by the 3rd decade after suffering the entire way, come out of this OK? will they have to rally around WWIII to jump start the economy? I dont know. What I do know is this smacks of the socialist/communist type groupthink that is save every last soul you can, even if it means every last one of us is miserable because of the policy. Heaven forbid somebody dies to allow someone else to live a blessed life... Gee, that sounds like a familiar story. I wonder where I might have heard it before? I'm sure if I wait a couple more weeks my pastor might remind me of that story.

*I have multiple factors that label me as high risk for this virus. So I'm coming at this as somebody that if I caught it I'm screwed at best with reduced lung capacity, Dead at worst. I'm not one of those that have no skin in the game and are most likely to escape without a scratch like some.

Logan's Run.


This is probably the most cynical post I've seen on INGO.

Why don't we do it by race? Or IQ?

Or genetic purity?

Brand them at birth. They get sick or hurt...no treatment. Unless you want to take the next step Adolf.


If it has to be explained to you why a person of 40 or 60 or 80 is as valuable as any other person, then you are lost, amigo. Truly lost.

Nobel prize winners......

 

[maxwelhse]

Nobel prize winners......

Obama is unfairly skewing your data...

(we need a light purple for times like this)

 

[Alpo]

Yeah...that's one they wish they had back. Didn't deserve it in the first place and proved it by his foreign policy.

 

[maxwelhse]

Yeah...that's one they wish they had back. Didn't deserve it in the first place and proved it by his foreign policy.

Arrogant ass should have politely declined it... I say that knowing full well that our current arrogant ass would have also accepted it in the same circumstances.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

a person of 40 or 60 or 80 is as valuable as any other person

I agree, and honestly imo, the older generation is more important than the younger in ways. I understand the younger is the “future”, but most are lazy and inexperienced. If we were left with just the younger generation the country would collapse within a year. The older generation owns majority of the businesses which employs the younger people, they’re most of the teachers/professors, trains the younger guys, etc.

Could you imagine fighting this pandemic with only young, inexperienced doctors and researchers leading the way? Yikes

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Arrogant ass should have politely declined it... I say that knowing full well that our current arrogant ass would have also accepted it in the same circumstances.

Honestly it’s kinda like when you’re invited to the White House. Regardless of your feelings, you just accept it. You might be humble and make mention of people you think deserve it more, but that’s not something you decline. Regardless if it was earned or not, that’s another story, but I can’t fault a person for accepting it when he’s chosen.

 

[smokingman]

[video]https://twitter.com/i/status/1241762355022827520[/video]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1241762355022827520

4,6,8 months of social distancing according to Gov. Andrew Cuomo.
May want to listen. Video at source. Start to plan for that range is what he finishes with.

 

[maxwelhse]

I agree, and honestly imo, the older generation is more important than the younger in ways. I understand the younger is the “future”, but most are lazy and inexperienced. If we were left with just the younger generation the country would collapse within a year. The older generation owns majority of the businesses which employs the younger people, they’re most of the teachers/professors, trains the younger guys, etc.

Could you imagine fighting this pandemic with only young, inexperienced doctors and researchers leading the way? Yikes

Honestly, there are arguments on both sides of that one, but they're all pretty stupid. As our buddy Alpo said, your other option is to get your full Hitler on and figure out which ones you wanna kill. We don't do that here, much.

As far as the young and dumb kids, I remember talking about how awesome the new STP CD was before freshman year health class while smoking a joint, sleeping straight through class, and failing it. I got older and don't do stuff like that anymore. I've got my beefs with some of the younger generation, but they'll eventually get older and start figuring some things out too.

Now those old folks refuse to learn anything...