By that standard, wouldn't operating an automobile be PC for a stop since it is illegal to do so without a license?
No, because the supreme court addressed this specific subject.
By that standard, wouldn't operating an automobile be PC for a stop since it is illegal to do so without a license?
By that standard, wouldn't operating an automobile be PC for a stop since it is illegal to do so without a license?
Yes, but driving w/o a valid driver's license is against the law too, but a LEO can't just pull you over to check your DL.
No, because the supreme court addressed this specific subject.
seems that your personal openion is getting you far.. maybe if you were a police officer for a month and head to put up with some of the SH** that they have to.. you'd appreciate them being cautious.
i've been pulled over several times. both on a motorcycle, and in the truck. i have never once had my gun taken from me or checked.
but i'm sure if i was being an arrogant prick they would probably be more suspicious and try to dig deeper into my business. it's just how it goes. no you may not agree and it may not be right. but it is what it is..
put yourself in the officers shoes. end of story i'd take it from you and then let you load it when i leave. don't get mad if i empty your clip. and also with the number of stolen guns they may have just been running it to make sure it's clean.. and you can complain all you want.. just hope you don't live in that county. you might find yourself getting pulled over often. and if you have nothing "wrong" then why not let the officer check it out....
I DO KNOW THE LAWS, and no i am not readin you any. i'm simply telling you first hand experince and simply letting you know no matter how tough you act or try to stand your ground to an officer there are ways around everything. no i'm not 'joking'.
Armor piercing rounds are against the law everywhere in the US. You might be able to OWN them, but you can't carry them. Not only will you get arrested, but your gun will be seized and most likely destroyed. As a detective following up on your arrest, I'd write a search warrant for your property for other guns and additional ammo, seize everyting as evidence, and make you go to court to recover them. So it's always best to play nice. It really makes life simpler.
blah blah.. need i keep going?
If i ever have to stop somebody that is open carrying, it will just be to inform them that people are calling in on him/her and that i was supposed to answer the call. I would just want them to be aware of that. As long as their not waving it around or walking with their hand on it, there is no problem.
drive through johnson county and smile at a police officer.. he'll probably pull you over because you look suspicious.. who cares.. it's life. in my openion officers should pull over more people than they do.
and no OC'ing isn't a crime. but IF YOU HAVEN'T noticed this far in life it draws attention.. DUH?!
no? how many "drive by knife stabbings" do you hear about?
Yea i get what your saying. I start police academy in January so I'm kinda asking for both sides.
Armor piercing rounds are against the law everywhere in the US.
how many "drive by knife stabbings" do you hear about?
Since Indiana law does not specify the mode of carry, ANY carry of a handgun is illegal without a license, and therefore it is RS or PC for a stop.
I'd be curious to know that as well.And what is your opinion of Mr. Hard's attitude?
I DO KNOW THE LAWS, and no i am not readin you any. i'm simply telling you first hand experince and simply letting you know no matter how tough you act or try to stand your ground to an officer there are ways around everything. no i'm not 'joking'.
Armor piercing rounds are against the law everywhere in the US. You might be able to OWN them, but you can't carry them. Not only will you get arrested, but your gun will be seized and most likely destroyed. As a detective following up on your arrest, I'd write a search warrant for your property for other guns and additional ammo, seize everyting as evidence, and make you go to court to recover them. So it's always best to play nice. It really makes life simpler.
blah blah.. need i keep going?
The cop can't see whether you have a license or not, therefore no RS or PC.
HE CAN SEE the gun when you OC, therefore RS/PC exists for the stop.
BTW if the person driving appeared to be 10 years old, then that would give to cop reason for a stop... again it's something
(s)he can see.
Is this not you saying, "I can do whatever I want. I'll break the law and infringe on your rights to enforce my will.".
Virtually everything you're saying is just false. You cannot simply stop someone for OC (legally). Then when you do you cannot simply take their property (legally).
End of story.
Yes, but driving w/o a valid driver's license is against the law too, but a LEO can't just pull you over to check your DL.
And what is your opinion of Mr. Hard's attitude?
No one should ever have to fear any officers or anybody that works for the government system of any kind.
I can understand that an officer wants to take away a gun for his safety.. But when you sign up for the job, you know it can be dangerous at times, but that's part of the job. I definetly would want the gun in my possession at the time, for my safety that is, but it's not whats right. And what he said about, "He's the one with the badge, he makes the call." Well he does at the moment, but a cop can get into some serious trouble if he makes a bad call. Besides, officers don't prevent crime, they respond to crime.