Comped or ported?

[venenoindy]

I'm contemplating buying a P10 F, I'm looking for to make it the flatest softest as possible. What would be the best and most reliable?

 

[ACC]

Comped: requires threaded barrel, easier to install, must be removed for cleaning, doesn’t affect bullet velocity.

Ported: , must be gunsmithed to modify the barrel & slide. Decreases bullet velocity, same takedown cleaning method as stock.

 

[Bassat]

I vote for neither, if the gun is to be used as a carry/defense tool. A compensator will make a relatively large handgun that much larger/longer. Both compensator and porting have the potential to give you a face full of hot gases and burning powder when fired from any kind of retention position. If that doesn't ruin your day, your attacker will.

 

[63PGP]

I have a P-07 that was worked over by CGW and it was one of my favorites. Decided to try a Parker Mountain Machine comp on it just to see how it worked. Now it is my absolute favorite 9mm. "Seat of the pants" change was fantastic. Highly recommend the PMM comp.

PMM Compensator for CZ P10 - Parker Mountain Machine

This will fit both the P10C and P10F. It WILL NOT FIT the P10S. True Precision barrels will function but have about a .100" gap from slide to comp. Primary Machine threaded barrels will require and additional shim kit. Czech Market CZ barrels noted at 122mm length will not work.…

www.parkermountainmachine.com

 

[NHT3]

I've been carrying a ported gun for several years and I've tried comps but ported is my preference. Just my opinion but purported downsides of ported is overblown to say the least. I held a white piece of paper directly behind the ports and fired the gun without damaging my hand or the paper. I suppose it would be possible to get a blast of hot air firing from retention but I don't see it being an issue in a normal retention position. Blinding flash at night is an internet myth. Even though I carry a gun everywhere the chances of me being in a self defense shooting are VERY small. Chances of being forced to fire from retention even smaller and if that's the case hot air in my face will likely be the least of my worries. As always your decision but I'll take my chances with the 30% recoil reduction and the minuscule velocity reduction of my ported setup. Of course you do you and YMMV but what ever you do train regularly with what you are carrying to maximize your chances for success.

 

[Bassat]

I've been carrying a ported gun for several years and I've tried comps but ported is my preference. Just my opinion but purported downsides of ported is overblown to say the least. I held a white piece of paper directly behind the ports and fired the gun without damaging my hand or the paper. I suppose it would be possible to get a blast of hot air firing from retention but I don't see it being an issue in a normal retention position. Blinding flash at night is an internet myth. Even though I carry a gun everywhere the chances of me being in a self defense shooting are VERY small. Chances of being forced to fire from retention even smaller and if that's the case a hot air in my face will likely be the least of my worries. As always your decision but I'll take my chances with the 30% recoil reduction and the minuscule velocity reduction of my ported setup. Of course you do you and YMMV but what ever you do train regularly with what you are carrying to maximize your chances for success.

Valid points, all.

 

[Creedmoor]

I vote for neither, if the gun is to be used as a carry/defense tool. A compensator will make a relatively large handgun that much larger/longer. Both compensator and porting have the potential to give you a face full of hot gases and burning powder when fired from any kind of retention position. If that doesn't ruin your day, your attacker will.

Is this from personal knowledge or you read it on the web?

 

[Bassat]

Is this from personal knowledge or you read it on the web?

Charter Arms Bulldog .44 SPL. Ported. It had a 2.5" bbl, IIRC. Been there, done that. Won't do it again. Need porting to help with the recoil of a .500 S&W Magnum? I get it. Need porting on a 4.5" barrel 9mm carry gun? I don't get it.

 

[venenoindy]

This would be a range/class gun, extended range session.

 

[ECS686]

Id leave the porting or comps for the competition games. I use to do USPSA dnIDPA it’s fun and not knocking it. That is a technical shooting game. I am more into application use where .50 splits your doing good that’s fast enough to assess if the next shot is warranted and to make solid hits.

So that being said a comp really isn’t needed for a 9mm. And while makers like Sig have a lot of carry type ported options unless you want to do the speed thing that would be the only benefit but how much $$ do you want to spend (along with practice ammo) to get to those jail
Bait .16 splits???!

But you do you!

 

[Creedmoor]

Charter Arms Bulldog .44 SPL. Ported. It had a 2.5" bbl, IIRC. Been there, done that. Won't do it again. Need porting to help with the recoil of a .500 S&W Magnum? I get it. Need porting on a 4.5" barrel 9mm carry gun? I don't get it.

I have three,a 41 Smith and I hate to say it but, two Glock pistols. A 19C and a 23C, I have fired a few thousand rounds out of them over the last 20+ years during the day/night and never have had any issues with flash or gas issues myself. The flash is so fast I don't ever remember it being a problem. I will also say that when being shot under a roof at the range, they are Fing loud.
They do shoot softer than a non ported pistol.
I would assume its going to be different with a revolver that blasts out gas between the cylinder and barrel along with a short barrel.
I don't get a ported revolver myself.

 

[DadSmith]

I vote for neither, if the gun is to be used as a carry/defense tool. A compensator will make a relatively large handgun that much larger/longer. Both compensator and porting have the potential to give you a face full of hot gases and burning powder when fired from any kind of retention position. If that doesn't ruin your day, your attacker will.

I've got a Taurus model 44 6.5" ported.
You can feel a push on your face yes, but no burning powder, or hot gas.
It has 4 ports on each side and it vents it away from your face. It also helps muzzle flip tremendously.
Zoom in towards front sight to see them.



That said I would comp hunting handguns for quicker follow-up shots if necessary.
Carry guns I have a mixed view for and against.

 

[hammerd13]

As others have said, I'd also recommend you stay away from porting on a defensive use handgun. Craig Douglas has banned the use of certain models in his classes. Shooting those up-close and from retention can be less than ideal.

Craig Douglas - Ported Handguns

 

[Bassat]

Creedmore:
I just don't get porting a 9mm. The recoil simply does not 'need' management. My 14 y.o. grandson shoots a non-ported P365 (his mother's gun) just fine. From the looks of the 2 posted guns, you are also giving up about 1/3 of your barrel. What does that do to muzzle velocity?

DadSmith:
Porting a 6.5" hunting gun makes perfect sense to me. Very few people (none?) take game from a retention position.

Now imagine this. Carry a ported CA .44SPL Bulldog OWB @ 4 o'clock. Quarter away from threat to disguise/hide the fact that you are drawing a gun. Draw to clear holster, rotate hardware up toward threat. Your right (gun) hand is essentially 14-18" directly below your face. Pull trigger. I have done this exactly once. I'm glad it was in a range scenario in my backyard. It did not blind me with flash since it was daytime. It did surprise the **** out of me. In a defense situation, I would have been, momentarily at least, out of the fight just from the surprise of it. THAT is something nobody needs: your own gun interrupting your response to a threat. I stand by my response/advice. Do not carry a ported SD handgun. If you insist, practice shooting from retention positions. At least you'll know what to expect.

Creedmore:
Chamber pressure on 44 spl is 15,000 PSI. On 9mm it is about 35,000 PSI. I would expect the blast from 9mm to be way more than from .44. Admittedly, I've never shot a ported 9mm.

 

[Bassat]

As others have said, I'd also recommend you stay away from porting on a defensive use handgun. Craig Douglas has banned the use of certain models in his classes. Shooting those up-close and from retention can be less than ideal.

Craig Douglas - Ported Handguns

This. From somebody who has seen way more of this than I have.

 

[Expat]

John Wick says compensator on a P30L.

 

[WebSnyper]

Anybody use Magna-port these days? In the past I know they were the go to. My brother had a Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag Magna-ported and I remember it working very well. Anyone use them for a semi auto?

 

[Creedmoor]

Creedmore:
I just don't get porting a 9mm. The recoil simply does not 'need' management. My 14 y.o. grandson shoots a non-ported P365 (his mother's gun) just fine. From the looks of the 2 posted guns, you are also giving up about 1/3 of your barrel. What does that do to muzzle velocity?

DadSmith:
Porting a 6.5" hunting gun makes perfect sense to me. Very few people (none?) take game from a retention position.

Now imagine this. Carry a ported CA .44SPL Bulldog OWB @ 4 o'clock. Quarter away from threat to disguise/hide the fact that you are drawing a gun. Draw to clear holster, rotate hardware up toward threat. Your right (gun) hand is essentially 14-18" directly below your face. Pull trigger. I have done this exactly once. I'm glad it was in a range scenario in my backyard. It did not blind me with flash since it was daytime. It did surprise the **** out of me. In a defense situation, I would have been, momentarily at least, out of the fight just from the surprise of it. THAT is something nobody needs: your own gun interrupting your response to a threat. I stand by my response/advice. Do not carry a ported SD handgun. If you insist, practice shooting from retention positions. At least you'll know what to expect.

Creedmore:
Chamber pressure on 44 spl is 15,000 PSI. On 9mm it is about 35,000 PSI. I would expect the blast from 9mm to be way more than from .44. Admittedly, I've never shot a ported 9mm.

And with me having the though that I would never own a ported revolver, just shooting a revolver one can get blasted in the face without being ported.
Ever shot one just a bit out of time?
I bought my first ported Glock, a 19C just to see if I liked it. I'm still not a Glock fan. But those compensated Glocks are really misunderstood by the public.
My sons both own and carry 19's at work.
I understand your thoughts on 9mm and porting, but shoot one and it will change your thoughts, it did mine.
All of the 9mm that we shoot and that I load are 124 grain +P stuff.

If I'm ever going to be up north or your traveling south, I would be more than glad to let you shoot both of mine along with a non ported 19.
It will change your mind.

 

[Creedmoor]

This. From somebody who has seen way more of this than I have.

Its from 2017, He banned the factory ported S&W Shield, not all ported handguns.
How would one fair with shooting a 2" 357mag revolver in the same manner?

 

[DadSmith]

DadSmith:
Porting a 6.5" hunting gun makes perfect sense to me. Very few people (none?) take game from a retention position.

Now imagine this. Carry a ported CA .44SPL Bulldog OWB @ 4 o'clock. Quarter away from threat to disguise/hide the fact that you are drawing a gun. Draw to clear holster, rotate hardware up toward threat. Your right (gun) hand is essentially 14-18" directly below your face. Pull trigger. I have done this exactly once. I'm glad it was in a range scenario in my backyard. It did not blind me with flash since it was daytime. It did surprise the **** out of me. In a defense situation, I would have been, momentarily at least, out of the fight just from the surprise of it. THAT is something nobody needs: your own gun interrupting your response to a threat. I stand by my response/advice. Do not carry a ported SD handgun. If you insist, practice shooting from retention positions. At least you'll know what to expect.

That's why I've got reservations on a comp on a edc pistol. I can see the plus side of the comp with quicker follow-up shots, more controllable etc.
Then the negative side as you stated.
However, I've never fired a comp 9mm it most likely isn't anything like a ported 44mag. If it directs the gasses in a proper direction it might be fine. I'd have to fire it at night as well.
Also I Carry a 1000 lumens edc light so I'm thinking that will be able to compensate for any muzzle blindness.
Like I said above I have mixed feelings/thoughts on this.
I'd have to practice with one to get a better perspective, and opinion.