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    The Greek word used that is translated taken out of the way is γίνομαι translated as ginomai.
    Here is the meaning of this word.

    Ginomai Definition
    to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
    to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
    of events
    to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
    of men appearing in public
    to be made, finished
    of miracles, to be performed, wrought
    to become, be made

    Nothing about anything or anyone being removed, or taken out of the way.

    Should possibly read this way
    2 Thessalonians 2:7 - He who now restrains will do so until He is come into existence.
    So the second He could very well mean the son of perdition.
    Understanding this word and it's meaning sheds a very different light on this verse.

    So it could be translated this way.

    He who now restrains will do so until the son of perdition is come into existence.


    Let me know what you all think.
     
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    they have yet to "discover" a "lost" book that my church didn't know about and reject 1500-2000 years ago. When they do, then ping me!
     
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    foszoe said:
    they have yet to "discover" a "lost" book that my church didn't know about and reject 1500-2000 years ago. When they do, then ping me!
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    Had an interesting discussion with honest believing Baptist co-worker.
    The difference in approaches to faith was amusing.
    Just a simple example: While he viewed most people around as “unbelievers in need of saving” with focus on church growth, especially in ze Old Country most people around are assumed to be Orthodox who might be astray, and the church is focused on survival against outside forces of first Islam and then Communism. East and West.
     
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    Att about the 9th hour on the day before Ascension, which is always on a Thursday, we sing the Resurrectional hymns of Pascha for the last time.

    Christ is risen from the dead,
    trampling down death by death,
    and upon those in the tombs
    bestowing life!

    Having seen the Resurrection of Christ, let us worship the Holy Lord Jesus, the only sinless one. We worship your Cross, O Christ, and we hymn and glorify your holy Resurrection. For you are our God, we know no other but you, we name you by name. Come all the faithful, let us worship the holy Resurrection of Christ; for behold through the Cross, joy has come in all the world. Ever blessing the Lord, we hymn his Resurrection. For having endured the Cross for us, he has destroyed death by death.

    We don’t sing those hymns again until next Pascha.

    Then Wed night, we sing the Psalm of Creation, Psalm 103 (104). Followed by intercessory prayers for everyone and everything.

    We sing Psalm 140/141 (141/142). Interspersed with verses. (Hebrew numbering in ())

    We read Isaiah 2:2-3; 62:10-63:3, 7-9; Zachariah 14:1, 4, 8-11.

    We say evening prayers

    Vouchsafe, O Lord, to keep us this evening without sin. Blessed art Thou, O Lord, the God of our fathers, and praised and glorified is Thy Name forever. Amen. Let Thy mercy be upon us, O Lord, even as we have set our hope on Thee. Blessed art Thou, O Lord; teach me Thy statutes. Blessed art Thou, O Master; make me to understand Thy statutes. Blessed art Thou, O Holy One; enlighten me with Thy statutes. Thy mercy, O Lord, endures forever. O despise not the works of Thy hands. To Thee belongs worship, to Thee belongs praise, to Thee belongs glory: to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit; now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.

    And other supplicatory prayers.

    Finally we get to sing the hymns of Ascension

    “O Christ God, You have ascended in Glory, / granting joy to Your disciples by the promise of the Holy Spirit. / Through the blessing they were assured / that You are the Son of God, / the Redeemer of the world!

    When You had fulfilled the dispensation for our sake, / and united earth to heaven: / You ascended in glory, O Christ our God, / not being parted from those who love You, / but remaining with them and crying: / “I am with you and no one will be against you!”

    On Thursday Morning we gather for Ascension and again say our prayers and intercessions, sing the hymns of Ascension then read

    Mark 16:9-20; Acts 1:1-12; and Luke 24:36-53

    Hear the Ascension Homily and receive communion and are dismissed into the world.

    All of this is done to celebrate Christ’s bodily resurrection and ascension to sit at the right hand of the Father until all his enemies are put under his feet (Psalm 110). The paradox is that has already taken place mystically, death has been conquered, but yet we are still here and go on living.

    It is important to note that it is a bodily resurrection. That is a testament to Christ being fully human and fully divine. The body is not something to be discarded but reverenced. One day, we too will be bodily resurrected and ascend.

    We also begin to look forward to the coming of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, always on a Sunday and always 50 days after Pascha so week from tomorrow for us.

    Then we are reminded that Christ says as I leave so also I will come again so we are reminded to be watching and waiting for the second coming. In the Icon of the Ascension. All these themes are present. Christ is depicted in a mandorla, but his robes are motionless. We can not tell if he is coming or going. In the icons of the last judgement, Christ is depicted exactly in the same manner. So you can’t tell from the image if he is coming or going.

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    Also in the icon, all the disciples are gazing up into the heavens, except Mary. Often in icons, Mary represents the Church. She is calm. She is pondering all these things in her heart, as we should and are in the church services.

    So we are celebrating the culmination of Christ’s Incarnation, Death, Resurrection in his final act, Ascension.

    If this doesn’t drive home the point of the Ascension is that he goes to prepare the way for us, the readings on the following day are from

    John 14:1-11, a powerful reminder that Christ is coming.

    Other ways to celebrate besides the Church services are its a great day to go fly a kite, watch clouds, ask myself do am I ready for the second coming, if the cloud I am watching suddenly bears Christ himself back to earth? Have I been doing what Christ has asked of me? For Christ himself says whoever has my commandments and keeps him, loves me. Do I love Christ?

    Then prepare for the coming of His Holy Spirit on Pentecost!
     
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