Romans 13 never really makes it onto the sermon list with these guys...
Sure they do!
Romans 13:1 said:...For there is no authority except from God...
See! Right there is all you need to know or read.
Romans 13 never really makes it onto the sermon list with these guys...
Romans 13:1 said:...For there is no authority except from God...
Modern liberal democracy poses a much bigger problem to Romans 13 than Paul had to deal with.
Modern liberal democracy poses a much bigger problem to Romans 13 than Paul had to deal with.
Maybe CM can describe his experience under Roman rule.
That might provide some insight.
How so?
It is easier to put the government it a box if you are not a participant in it. It is easier to follow (or not follow) government orders when you are not the government.
It is easier to put the government it a box if you are not a participant in it. It is easier to follow (or not follow) government orders when you are not the government.
This plandemic reminds me of what was tried by the secret brotherhood bozos that took over Mexico 90 years ago, their thinking at the time being that if they could just keep people away from church long enough that the people wouldn't go back.
I would say that the principles have not and do not change.
You work to influence government to enact laws and policies which you believe to be wise.
...but regardless of the outcome, you respect and obey government unless it requires something of you personally which is in direct opposition to Scripture...and that is a tiny, tiny exception. The only one I see in Scripture is when the civil authorities said to stop preaching the Gospel, they refused.
- Taxes? Pay them.
- Governors? Respect them (you don't have to agree, but the disagreement should be respectful).
- Laws? Follow them whether you like them or not (with the very limited exception noted above)
And for us ignorant folks, will you post a link to this historical event?
Could you expound on this for my own edification?But it isn't clear cut. I mean, look at the Jim Crow laws and how Christians outright opposed authority.
Despite the conventional wisdom, Constitutional boundaries are in no way tied to Christian theology*. (I dare someone to try and prove me wrong.)It gets really ticky-tacky in self-government. Where do you not obey the civil government when the civil government oversteps it constitutional boundaries? It gets really awkward.
Could you expound on this for my own edification?
Despite the conventional wisdom, Constitutional boundaries are in no way tied to Christian theology*. (I dare someone to try and prove me wrong.)
Furthermore, Constitutional boundaries aren't a so clear.
* The Declaration of Independence does have some basis in Christian values, but that's not a document that controls our government.
Like return runaway slaves?If a duly elected government were to, say, pass a law (that somehow survived legal challenges) that required you to do something that violates the Constitution, what would you, as both a Christian and an American, do?
Yeah. Was it right for Christians to oppose the civil government on Jim Crow? Was it right for them to commit crime?
My advice, spend some time this summer canning food.
If a duly elected government were to, say, pass a law (that somehow survived legal challenges) that required you to do something that violates the Constitution, what would you, as both a Christian and an American, do?
In the time of Paul, Nero WAS the government, now, thanks in large part to Christianity, we have these weird, liberal democracies which means that the governments are, "By the people."