Well I was ready, but it's a stand off!ATM vs ATM
Get ready to rrruuummmble!
Well I was ready, but it's a stand off!ATM vs ATM
Get ready to rrruuummmble!
ATM vs ATM
Get ready to rrruuummmble!
My refutation, in pithy form:
- Jesus was not a prophet of God. He was as he claimed to be - God incarnate.
- In that passage Jesus speaks as if he's separate from God, because, yes he is an individual, yet still God (see John 14).
- Jesus makes very specific statements regarding the exclusively of his salvation (again see John 14).
- Jesus makes it clear that the work of salvation is complete in him, therefore no one can come after him and promote a new path (again... John 14, John 19)
- You haven't made a compelling case for why Mohamed should be considered a Prophet of God. Your only statement was, "Mohamed was known to be an honest man, therefore he must be who he said he was."
Question for you:
If Mohamed was a Prophet of God, and so was Jesus, and their message is the same at it's core, do you consider Joseph Smith on par with them? If not, why? What would disqualify his prophecy?
Cute move to bring in some garbage about the 1A and how beliefs must be respected, just when it seemed like our point might finally get some attention. There are some very deceived people among us, even here on INGO. Who's to blame for this?
Cute move to bring in some garbage about the 1A and how beliefs must be respected, just when it seemed like our point might finally get some attention. There are some very deceived people among us, even here on INGO. Who's to blame for this?
Good question, maybe "modern educayshun" has been slowly and incrementally steering us in this direction for far longer than we realized.
https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/break-room/437821-modern-educayshun.html
Attacking those who would dare to question seems to serve one fundamental purpose to me, and its application is quite broad.
I don't necessarily respect beliefs, per se. I respect an individual's right to believe whatever they want. That should not shield their beliefs from scrutiny, but that in itself does not obviate one's responsibility to behave civilly while challenging people's beliefs.
The point about deceit is just opinion. Before you level such claims with confidence you might consider that the other side has every bit as much faith as you to call you decieved.
JettaKnight,
Both Muslims and Christians believe that Jesus was a great Prophet of God and the Messiah, however Christians claim that he is a person of the Triune God while Muslims reject the notion that any human can be worshiped as God.
Msulims believe that God created us and He has the exclusive right to be worshiped. This message was preached by all Prophets of God.
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It's known too that Muslims believe, according to Quran, that Prophet Muhammad is the final Prophet of God. However, they believe in the second coming of Prophet Jesus.
JettaKnight,
Both Muslims and Christians believe that Jesus was a great Prophet of God and the Messiah, however Christians claim that he is a person of the Triune God while Muslims reject the notion that any human can be worshiped as God.
Msulims believe that God created us and He has the exclusive right to be worshiped. This message was preached by all Prophets of God.
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It's known too that Muslims believe, according to Quran, that Prophet Muhammad is the final Prophet of God. However, they believe in the second coming of Prophet Jesus.
That typographical error brings a humorous moment to my recollection. I has transposed some letters typing 'Moslem' and as I preferred to think of it, I invented my own new camouflage: 'Mossy Elm'.
If you`re suggesting for a nanosecond that Christians worship the same God, you`re dead wrong.
I don't necessarily respect beliefs, per se. I respect an individual's right to believe whatever they want. That should not shield their beliefs from scrutiny, but that in itself does not obviate one's responsibility to behave civilly while challenging people's beliefs.
The point about deceit is just opinion. Before you level such claims with confidence you might consider that the other side has every bit as much faith as you to call you decieved.
It is Islamic scripture that Allah is the God of Abraham.
Regardless what you think, they believe you are all worshipping the same deity.
If you`re suggesting for a nanosecond that Christians worship the same God, you`re dead wrong.
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So what crosses the civility line in a forum exchange? Is it dependent upon the subject matter? Is it dependent on the person?
My answers, also subject to change based on further input.
Attacks on the person him/herself. Excessive repeated attempts to engage a person who has explicitly withdrawn from the conversation.
It shouldn't be.
It shouldn't be.
it's the same God.
Absolutely not! Jesus said He and the Father are one! The Holy Bible states that there is only one name under heaven by which we must be saved, (Jesus). Jesus Christ said: I an THE way, THE truth, and THE life, and NO man comes to the Father, but by ME. Jesus said to not only love your friends, but to love your enemies. the koran states that infidels, (unbelievers) are to be slaughtered if they refuse to convert. So no, it is not the same God.
Absolutely not! Jesus said He and the Father are one! The Holy Bible states that there is only one name under heaven by which we must be saved, (Jesus). Jesus Christ said: I an THE way, THE truth, and THE life, and NO man comes to the Father, but by ME. Jesus said to not only love your friends, but to love your enemies. the koran states that infidels, (unbelievers) are to be slaughtered if they refuse to convert. So no, it is not the same God.
I just simply ask people if they think God exists and if they answer yes then I know they are not worshipping the same God of Orthodox Christianity that I do.
it's the same God.