God has revealed Himself to people in the past, so it IS possible, but what was revealed to Mohammed doesn't mesh with the teachings of Jesus.To say that He could not reveal Himself to Mohammed is to limit Him.
God has revealed Himself to people in the past, so it IS possible, but what was revealed to Mohammed doesn't mesh with the teachings of Jesus.To say that He could not reveal Himself to Mohammed is to limit Him.
So you are saying God loves poo?
You're embracing Calvin's Christianity claims.
God has revealed Himself to people in the past, so it IS possible, but what was revealed to Mohammed doesn't mesh with the teachings of Jesus.
God has revealed Himself to people in the past, so it IS possible, but what was revealed to Mohammed doesn't mesh with the teachings of Jesus.
This is not a challenge for a boxing or wrestling belt where you or your handlers can pick and choose the most personally advantageous match-up. It is more like a jousting tourney where chivalry requires you to meet all contestants on the field of honour
jamil has thrown down the gauntlet, couch you lance or retire
That's kinda the crux (pardon the pun) of the problem. Some of it does, and some of it doesn't.
Along these same lines, I believe God has revealed Himself to me. Little ole me. I'm nobody. Now, I don't claim to have all the answers, and don't intend on starting anything different. But, I also don't feel like I'm expected to. He knows me. My ongoing prayer is for Him to guide me on the path He intends for me.
I would hope that, like Noah, if He asked me to do something that seems objectively crazy, that I would trust what He revealed to me enough to do so.
...We can't ride the coattails of someone's else's beliefs...
To briefly build on that, those that challenge Islam as false may (or may not) believe they are acting on God's wishes revealed to them. I'll not argue for or against that.
God is infinitely complicated enough to be asking us both to pursue our respective roles in this matter.
For Think:
What's the difference between a religion that commands it's followers to violence on unbelievers and a religion that only sounds like it commands it's followers to violence on unbelievers?
maybe a more accurate reflection Benp end state is that what Muhammad recorded being revealed does not align. God surely revealed himself to Muhammad.
If I misrepresented you, Ben, I apologize
What you are missing is what I stated above. Not every Muslim believes every belief you've ascribed to them. Not every Muslim interprets their Quran the way you have. The "not 1.8 billion muslims are terrorists" argument is an adequate, empirical rebuttal of your theoretical argument. A theory ain't **** if its rubber can't meet the road.
...but I don't believe that the full message that Muhammad presented to the world was the complete message that was given to him.
Lying in order to advance one’s faith is not an Islamic doctrine and has never been. I challenge anyone to bring one proof from the Quran or Hadith where it says that ‘one can use deception to advance Islam. ’ You won’t find it
This word itself 'taqiyya" doesn't exist in the quran
"Telling the truth" is a basic Islamic rule;
“And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is). (Qur’an, 2:42)”
“O ye who believe! Stand out firmly For justice, as witnesses To Allah, even as against Yourselves, or your parents, Or your kin, and whether It be (against) rich or poor: For Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (Of your hearts), lest ye Swerve, and if ye Distort (justice) or decline To do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted With all that ye do. (Qur’an, 4:135)”
“...Help ye one another In righteousness and piety, But help ye not one another In sin and rancour: Fear Allah: for Allah Is strict in punishment. (Qur’an, 5:2)”
“O ye who believe! Stand out firmly For Allah, as witnesses To fair dealing, and let not The hatred of others To you make you swerve To wrong and depart from Justice. Be just: that is Next to Piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted With all that ye do. (Qur’an, 5:8)”
“O you who believe, you shall reverence GOD, and be among the truthful.” (Qur’an 9:119)
Kid's Corner: Telling the Truth
The only ayah that allow muslims to lie to save their lives is Quran 16:106:
"Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief… except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah, and for them is a great punishment."
This ayah was revealed because some Muslims (Companions of Prophet Muhammad (p)) were tortured and uttered disbelief so that the persecutors stopped tormenting them. Although they uttered the words, they still believed in Islam, and merely said it so the persecution stops. Hence, the Quran states that those who had done such, there is no blame on them for what they did, and said these things when they were in a situation where it meant either to live and continually be under torture or be put to death. So, there was no sin on those who said things which were contrary to what they believed in their heart.
I hope that answers your point.
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."
There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
...God could easily reveal Himself to us physically and we would have no need of faith because we would actually see...
I was just giving my opinion.
He admitted not reading most of the thread , so he probably didn't see the proper application of the argument against a particular claim of Islam that he won't be able to reconcile.
As he attempted to misapply it as a general question of Mohammed, it leaves the lunatic (deluded) choice by far the most reasonable to conclude.
I hope that sinks in and he goes back to try resolving what could only be abandoned earlier in this thread.