The small thinkers like JH always think of government as benevolent and benign. They never think forward to where TPTB redefine “illegal” to be what you do…If they are not doing anything illegal, why would it be a problem for them?
The small thinkers like JH always think of government as benevolent and benign. They never think forward to where TPTB redefine “illegal” to be what you do…If they are not doing anything illegal, why would it be a problem for them?
We received a bill and a fine for not paying it all at the same time.
And on top of that, it wasn't even our car or license plate number.
It was a grey car, and that's where the similarities stopped.
Have never even been on the new toll bridge.
You just cannot make a post without slandering others…I didn't let it ruin my life, instill false paranoia, or further trigger underlying mental illness, etc.
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I didn't let it ruin my life, instill false paranoia, or further trigger underlying mental illness, etc.
Well I think 1930s Germany is calling and wants the brown shirt back.I'm guessing this won't be taken well...
The vehicle is supposed to be properly tagged (plated).
That's the law you agreed to when you got a driver's licence (a privilege, not a 'Right').
Those plates are supposed to be clearly visible, space for the plate provided by the manufacturer to keep you legal.
It couldn't be more simple.
Anything in the public domain (roadways, public access parking spaces, etc.)
It's clearly legal to video.
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*IF* you aren't doing anything illegal, why is it a problem with you?
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You all complain about crime, particularly crimes against persons, but you complain when a tool is available that will help solve, or potentially reduce those crimes?
It seems to be schizophrenic thinking (at best) to first want crime reduced, or solved,
Then complain about tools that will allow law enforcement to do just that very thing...
You DEMAND things change, crimes get solved, then turn right around and demand law enforcement does it *YOUR* way...
It's not about *YOU*,
And you can't have it both ways.
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As to "Big Brother" watching *YOUR* every move...
Get over yourself, you just aren't that important.
No reason to give you the first thought if you aren't doing something illegal.
There are thousands of hours of video of most people going about the business of normal life, and no one gives a crap in the slightest...
It's actually a pain in the butt to have so many average people in the frame when they are trying to catch criminals...
From privacy rights to storage media space, to eyeballs to figure out the difference.
I have deleted thousands of hours of video of just average folks from my small security system simply because they weren't doing anything illegal (or interesting).
There is an entire industry in the billions of dollars just trying to filter the average folks OUT of video so they can concentrate on criminals.
(See every video security company in the world)
This makes me think there are ulterior motives involved,
From paranoia (mental illness), thinking they are so important the NSA/CIA/FBI is tracking their every move,
(The tin foil hat bunch)
To shady people doing sketchy stuff not wanting to get caught...
What they are doing is a very different thing. Are these readers on a pole somewhere? Then yes as seen in the pictures. My understanding is most departments are deploying the readers on city vehicles, a different situation.Personally I am extremely impressed with what Sylvain showed the French doing. That should have happened here.
No, the ones around here are on poles (like a stop sign post) with a solar panel and electronics box, and the camera pointing in the direction of travel just past the intersection.What they are doing is a very different thing. Are these readers on a pole somewhere? Then yes as seen in the pictures. My understanding is most departments are deploying the readers on city vehicles, a different situation.
Very good point, food for thought…Unfortunately they don't actually "own" the technology, the networks, the databases, or have actual physical control over the storage or transmission means. Therefore, even though they may have a contract which states the data is secure and deleted after 30 days they have absolutely no way to know or to control the security of the data.
As to "Big Brother" watching *YOUR* every move...
Get over yourself, you just aren't that important.
No reason to give you the first thought if you aren't doing something illegal.
There are thousands of hours of video of most people going about the business of normal life, and no one gives a crap in the slightest...
To shady people doing sketchy stuff not wanting to get caught...
When you cross the Ohio river bridge it takes several pics of your car. Then an automated process searches bmv records for plate info then sends the bill. It's not a gov agency that does it. It's a private business....ask me how I know.Does IN/KY actually ever send bills for the bridge tolls?
The wife and I have one(1) EZ Pass but every so often we drive two(2) cars over the bridge when travelling to visit the hillbilly family. Have never gotten a bill in the mail. Bad plate read, lazy gov't employee, poorly programmed software, so small they don't care?
Just had a revelation. We are usually driving "convoy" style so maybe it picks up the EZ Pass tagged to both license plates and bills us twice?
probably. I never get a bill either. Just a monthly statement showing my toll activity.Does IN/KY actually ever send bills for the bridge tolls?
The wife and I have one(1) EZ Pass but every so often we drive two(2) cars over the bridge when travelling to visit the hillbilly family. Have never gotten a bill in the mail. Bad plate read, lazy gov't employee, poorly programmed software, so small they don't care?
Just had a revelation. We are usually driving "convoy" style so maybe it picks up the EZ Pass tagged to both license plates and bills us twice?
Hmmm, Need to look for them. Got a pic to post, even if from the web?No, the ones around here are on poles (like a stop sign post) with a solar panel and electronics box, and the camera pointing in the direction of travel just past the intersection.
The big props that undergird all this rely on court interpretations that were made in a no technology time.
One was using their car near a bank robbery and the plate was publicly visible police staking out the bank on a tip. Simple, the courts of the time ruled, the plate is “public” for all to see.
Then we had the evolution of the camera, first just in the hands of the photographers, then in the hands of the public, then ubiquitous in society. Courts ruled in a time of few cameras that if you were out in public and were in a photo, it was public and you could do nothing about it.
Put these two together in a highly technological era and we are light years beyond what the courts were thinking of when they made these rulings
So let’s flesh out where we are headed in a day of 24 hour video collection. (widespread facial recognition is next.)
Public services collect license plate data they claim is for crime solving, then the cash strapped municipalities begin to sell that data to big tech, big tech puts all that data online combined with other data they collect. There is no privacy anywhere in this system. Not at home, not at work, nowhere. (And spare me the BS that one doesn’t have to have a phone, most all jobs require one now,). In Lawrence v. Texas the court ruled on a right to privacy, that privacy is now gone, the data mongers know who is in that room having sex.
To my knowledge no court in the modern era has ever looked at this level of use of data to see if it crosses a constitutional line. Just you proponents pushing outdated rulings.
I for one want control of my privacy, as do most of INGO, that you cannot respect that desire says a lot about you…