I thought he was talking into his radio.I wondered the same. It sounded like he was talking to himself more than yelling to the other officer.
I thought he was talking into his radio.I wondered the same. It sounded like he was talking to himself more than yelling to the other officer.
It sure didn't look like the K9 officer heard anything coming out of a radio. He was pretty laser focusedI thought he was talking into his radio.
Would it not be his responsibility to find out from the other ten or so LEO's that were on the scene before he arrived. Before he decided to release his dog?It sure didn't look like the K9 officer heard anything coming out of a radio. He was pretty laser focused
We have no idea what was said before the video by who to whom. We really don't know a lot.Would it not be his responsibility to find out from the other ten or so LEO's that were on the scene before he arrived. Before he decided to release his dog?
Seems prudent before using the force he unleashed.
Yeah like what dept. "standard and expectation" did he violate when the use of force review board determined that the department's policy for the use of canines was followed in the apprehension and arrest. This is all the dept. said about the termination. Sounds like it was tailor made to counter a BLM call to action.We have no idea what was said before the video by who to whom. We really don't know a lot.
I didn't say he was right though. The investigation said he did nothing wrong. If he did nothing wrong, then he should not have been fired. It would probably be prudent to release the findings of the investigation to the public though.
The difference between using a taser and using a gun. The dog wasn't trying to kill him. It was restraining him.Good morning KG1.
if it is okay to sic your dog on a guy in this situation, is it also okay to shoot him? how different would the situational requirements be?
You'd be surprised how many smaller departments don't have standards in writing. You cannot violate what was not defined. It's actually scary. If I was a lawyer, I'd make a killing off these.Yeah like what dept. "standard and expectation" did he violate .
I'd be VERY careful pulling a gun out whilst surrounded by a bunch of police. IT MIGHT NOT GO WELL... In Indiana, research IC 35-41-3-2, it could support such an action, depending on the circumstances.Good morning KG1.
if it is okay to sic your dog on a guy in this situation, is it also okay to shoot him? how different would the situational requirements be?
This was my thinking too. Were there any explicit defined dept. standards that were issued. If so what specifically are those standards? I think the dept should expand on that and explain how the K-9 officer violated those standards that warranted termination.You'd be surprised how many smaller departments don't have standards in writing. You cannot violate what was not defined. It's actually scary. If I was a lawyer, I'd make a killing off these.
And why what he did didn't go against policy. If they didn't have one, say so. Give the public the information that went into all of these decisions.This was my thinking too. Were there any explicit defined dept. standards that were issued. If so what specifically are those standards? I think the dept should expand on that and explain how the K-9 officer violated those standards that warranted termination.
Similar to the MilitaryYou'd be surprised how many smaller departments don't have standards in writing. You cannot violate what was not defined. It's actually scary. If I was a lawyer, I'd make a killing off these.
I guess the standard that he violated was not considering the optics.And why what he did didn't go against policy. If they didn't have one, say so. Give the public the information that went into all of these decisions.
The perspective we have is from the officer that appeared, at points, to be the furthest away from the situation. What information did the officer receive enroute to the scene? Did he communicate with anyone unable to be seen in the video? Were all the officers on the scene on the same page as far as tactics and situational awareness? Did the officer have personal knowledge of the driver and possible history of violence? We really cant see the suspect very well, perhaps he made movements that would cause a reasonable officer to believe he was attempting to get a weapon.Would it not be his responsibility to find out from the other ten or so LEO's that were on the scene before he arrived. Before he decided to release his dog?
Seems prudent before using the force he unleashed.
My agency didn't have written formal SOPs for at least 5 years. Double-edged.You'd be surprised how many smaller departments don't have standards in writing. You cannot violate what was not defined. It's actually scary. If I was a lawyer, I'd make a killing off these.
Awe, Bless your Heart.The perspective we have is from the officer that appeared, at points, to be the furthest away from the situation. What information did the officer receive enroute to the scene? Did he communicate with anyone unable to be seen in the video? Were all the officers on the scene on the same page as far as tactics and situational awareness? Did the officer have personal knowledge of the driver and possible history of violence? We really cant see the suspect very well, perhaps he made movements that would cause a reasonable officer to believe he was attempting to get a weapon.
It sounds like your assuming the officer didn't do anything like that simply based on the outcome. We have no video from the other angles, no witness statements, no copies of reports. Without having a full and complete investigation and report of ALL the facts. We are left to speculate.
I wondered the same. It sounded like he was talking to himself more than yelling to the other officer.
There seemed to be a general lack of communication between the two groups pf officers. The K9 officer went charging up to the suspect barking orders at him which conflicted with the ones the troopers had already been giving him. He didn't give the guy much of a chance to process what was going on either. It was like 30 seconds from the time the dog was out of the vehicle until he was releasedIt certainly does seem like the Troopers could have and should have been more vocally forceful in communicating to the K-9 officer not to release the K-9 if they were feeling that it wasn't warranted at the time. It was only after the K-9 was released that they started shouting NO! Get the dog off of him! By that time, it was too late.