Carrying in Indiana Casinos

[Indy_Guy_77]

If you dig into the IAC for the other casinos, you'll find that there is a spot that says they also follow all the rules of IAC whatever. The "other" casinos are under the same IAC rules as the riverboat.
No, I'm not going to look it up again and I don't have it bookmarked.

I have been looking...and I can't find it.

Anyone else have the address to the IAC?

-J-

 

[cp009]

And your proof otherwise?

More digging and my understanding that there is a vagueness in the law, and the IAC makes reference of land based casinos.

 

[eldirector]

+1

I'm surprised it took so long. Only RIVERBOAT casinos are a no go when it comes to Indiana law.

If the casino is land based then you are good to go, but may be asked to leave if seen.

Just another comment to the previous responses; please check your facts before posting that you are absolutely not allowed to carry somewhere.

Look up the definition of "Riverboat Casino" in IAC.

It includes a LOT more than just boats on a river.

I, also, don't have the time to go dig that up right now. I won't stop you all, though.

 

[You'll shoot your eye out]

Ok, somebody take me to school here. I have never been to a casino. I don't gamble. I very rarely even play poker, so I am completely ignorant on the atmosphere or the clientele that frequents a casino. So why in the heck is a casino such a specified GFZ?

Whenever I see one on tv, it looks like a nice place with well-dressed people who have more money than they know what to do with. Why the fear? do they often sponsor school outings or something?

 

[Ford Truck]

I checked my revolver with security at Blue Chip & got it back with no problems.

 

[eldirector]

Ok, somebody take me to school here. I have never been to a casino. I don't gamble. I very rarely even play poker, so I am completely ignorant on the atmosphere or the clientele that frequents a casino. So why in the heck is a casino such a specified GFZ?

Whenever I see one on tv, it looks like a nice place with well-dressed people who have more money than they know what to do with. Why the fear? do they often sponsor school outings or something?

The Gaming Commission wants you disarmed. Actually, they want only THEIR security to be armed. It certainly isn't for anyone's safety. And since they have the money, they call the shots.

 

[cp009]

Look up the definition of "Riverboat Casino" in IAC.

It includes a LOT more than just boats on a river.

I, also, don't have the time to go dig that up right now. I won't stop you all, though.

68 IAC 1-1-79 "Riverboat gambling operation" defined
Authority: IC 4-33-4-1; IC 4-33-4-2; IC 4-33-4-3
Affected: IC 4-33
Sec. 79. "Riverboat gambling operation" means the conducting of gaming and all related activities, including, without
limitation, the purveying of food, beverages, retail goods and services, and transportation on a riverboat and at its support facilities.
(Indiana Gaming Commission; 68 IAC 1-1-79; filed Nov 10, 1994, 11:00 a.m.: 18 IR 478; readopted filed Oct 15, 2001, 4:34 p.m.:
25 IR 898; readopted filed Sep 14, 2007, 1:40 p.m.: 20071003-IR-068070354RFA; readopted filed Nov 26, 2013, 3:58 p.m.:
20131225-IR-068130354RFA)


This is the definition I found in IAC, and I dont see "a lot" more.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

The law on the books in Indiana forbids carry in RIVERBOAT CASINOS.

Not all casinos in Indiana are Riverboat Casinos.

Riverboat casinos have (I think must have by law) secure lockers for patrons to place their firearms in before entry.

Other casinos, Shelbyville, for example, will probably just ask you to leave and store your gun in your vehicle.

-J-

Not anymore.

+1

I'm surprised it took so long. Only RIVERBOAT casinos are a no go when it comes to Indiana law.

If the casino is land based then you are good to go, but may be asked to leave if seen.

Just another comment to the previous responses; please check your facts before posting that you are absolutely not allowed to carry somewhere.

The IAC changed last year. No reference to riverboat in the weapons section, just casino.
Article 1, page 40-41 in the pdf file.
Indiana General Assembly - Indiana Register

68 IAC 1-7-1 Weapons in the casino
Authority: IC 4-33-4; IC 4-35-4
Affected: IC 4-33-8; IC 4-35-6.5; IC 35-41-1-17
Sec. 1. (a) The following definitions apply throughout this rule:
(1) "Federal enforcement officer" has the meaning set forth in IC 35-41-1-17, or means a law enforcement officer as defined
in 5 U.S.C. 8331(2), or both.
(2) "Law enforcement officer" has the meaning set forth in IC 35-41-1-17.
(3) "Security personnel" means an employee of the casino licensee or a supplier licensee who:
(A) holds the appropriate level of occupational license under IC 4-33-8 or IC 4-35-6.5, and 68 IAC 2-3; and
(B) is employed in the casino licensee's security department or by a supplier licensee that contractually provides
security services to a casino licensee.
(b) An enforcement agent may carry a weapon in the casino. A law enforcement officer or a federal enforcement officer:
(1) whose sole purpose for being in the casino is the performance of official duties; and
(2) who has advised the enforcement agent or the commission that the officer will be in the casino;
shall be allowed to carry a weapon in the casino.
(c) The casino licensee shall post a sign in a prominent place at the point of passenger ingress stating, "No weapons are

allowed beyond this point. Failure to comply with this rule may result in immediate removal from the casino, immediate detention
by security personnel, the imposition of civil penalties, or exclusion under applicable law.".
(d) The casino licensee shall provide a secure place to which patrons do not have access to store weapons checked by:
(1) patrons;
(2) off duty law enforcement officers; or
(3) off duty federal enforcement officers.
(e) Security personnel may carry a weapon in the casino during times that patrons are not present. (Indiana Gaming
Commission; 68 IAC 1-7-1; filed Jun 23, 1995, 2:30 p.m.: 18 IR 2649; readopted filed Oct 15, 2001, 4:34 p.m.: 25 IR 898; filed
Dec 18, 2006, 1:16 p.m.: 20070117-IR-068060190FRA; readopted filed Sep 14, 2007, 1:40 p.m.: 20071003-IR-068070354RFA;
filed Dec 6, 2012, 2:32 p.m.: 20130102-IR-068110786FRA; readopted filed Nov 26, 2013, 3:58 p.m.: 20131225-IR-
068130354RFA)

And the definition of Casino.

68 IAC 1-1-13.4 "Casino" defined
Authority: IC 4-33-4; IC 4-35-4
Affected: IC 4-33; IC 4-35-5
Sec. 13.4. "Casino" means any facility where gaming is conducted under the jurisdiction of the commission under IC 4-33
or IC 4-35. (Indiana Gaming Commission; 68 IAC 1-1-13.4; filed Dec 15, 2008, 11:29 a.m.: 20090114-IR-068080430FRA;
readopted filed Nov 26, 2013, 3:58 p.m.: 20131225-IR-068130354RFA)

 

[ModernGunner]

Good reason NOT to go to casinos.

Just like gun shows that prohibit lawful carry. Don't patronize them.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

It's even illegal for LEO's to carry off duty in the casino and you can be arrested.

Can you cite what you can be arrested for?

 

[cp009]

Not anymore.




The IAC changed last year. No reference to riverboat in the weapons section, just casino.
Article 1, page 40-41 in the pdf file.
Indiana General Assembly - Indiana Register


And the definition of Casino.

Well I stand corrected the information I was looking at was dated.

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

I, too, stand corrected.

Thanks to those that cited the relevant codes.

Since it's not in the IC...safe to presume there is no real penalty to speak of...kind of like carrying at the State Fair.

I also wonder how detention by "security" would play out in a civil suit? Opinions on that one?

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I, too, stand corrected.

Thanks to those that cited the relevant codes.

Since it's not in the IC...safe to presume there is no real penalty to speak of...kind of like carrying at the State Fair.

I also wonder how detention by "security" would play out in a civil suit? Opinions on that one?

I can't find anything that would make it a criminal offense, or even a civil one. But that doesn't mean there isn't anything in the IC. It does mention 35-41-1-17 which is in the criminal section of IC but that has been repealed and I have no idea what it was.

 

[CLowe]

I just check mine with security on the rare event I go .
Most have a safe of some sort they lock them in .

 

[AndersonIN]

UPDATE!

To make a long story short:

Went to French Lick Hotel just to visit the stores wife and I decided to stop in a look at the casino. Attempted to check in my gun at entry and was "snarled" at by the female security when I asked for someone to assist in signing in my gun. Upon the arrival of security by the name of Douglas. He led me inside of the little room with lock boxes as I've done many times before and said "I'll need to see your Permit to Carry and your Drivers License". I politely explained that wouldn't be happening as he has no legal right to demand to see either.

As I said, short version........he called the IGC (Indiana Gaming Commission Agent) who I showed my permit to also and AGAIN refused my drivers license and he declined to allow me to enter!

Wasn't really that disappointed just wanted to inform others that have commented on this prior!

 

[TheSpark]

If you are willing to go into a place, like a casino, where the whole intent is to rob you of your money then why are you even concerned about your well being and ability to carry a gun?

I'll wait for the gamblers among us to ridicule me

 

[Cameramonkey]

UPDATE!

To make a long story short:

Went to French Lick Hotel just to visit the stores wife and I decided to stop in a look at the casino. Attempted to check in my gun at entry and was "snarled" at by the female security when I asked for someone to assist in signing in my gun. Upon the arrival of security by the name of Douglas. He led me inside of the little room with lock boxes as I've done many times before and said "I'll need to see your Permit to Carry and your Drivers License". I politely explained that wouldn't be happening as he has no legal right to demand to see either.

As I said, short version........he called the IGC (Indiana Gaming Commission Agent) who I showed my permit to also and AGAIN refused my drivers license and he declined to allow me to enter!

Wasn't really that disappointed just wanted to inform others that have commented on this prior!

Do you have to show ID to gain entry to the casino normally?

 

[AndersonIN]

Do you have to show ID to gain entry to the casino normally?

Not unless 39 or under.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Do you have to show ID to gain entry to the casino normally?

We went to the French Lick Casino Saturday and we weren't asked for ID's. There was a sign that directed people under the age of 30 to a specific lane, through the turnstiles to go through. There was a person stationed there, so I assumed you'd be asked for an ID if you were directed towards that lane.

 

[AndersonIN]

We went to the French Lick Casino Saturday and we weren't asked for ID's. There was a sign that directed people under the age of 30 to a specific lane, through the turnstiles to go through. There was a person stationed there, so I assumed you'd be asked for an ID if you were directed towards that lane.

Did you attempt to check in a gun?