Glad I tuned in!
Thanks.
From where do the rights of man come?
See above^^^
So not to get this locked for everyone else, I will not go any further. It is not my thread and I am sorry for the hijack.
Rights of man come from....MAN.
So how many people have lost facebook "friends" on this issue? I think I am up to four or five. Frankly, I don't care anymore. I tolerate the posts from the other side and I expect the other side to tolerate the occasional post I do.
Religions are fairy tales. Laws are created by man in order to allow us to live in social societies as peacefully as possible.
If gay marriage is legalized, you'll have to get a divorce and marry a dude.
2 adults consenting to each other doesn't create a victim. Raping and stealing does.
If you are not the victim of rape or theft, then how do those acts affect you?
Why should we turn the state loose on people that rape or steal from other people?
Altruism is innate in humans (obviously there are exceptions).
Hundreds of millions purposedly starved or executed show that this is a fable taught by a fool to an idiot.* Man is cruel, selfish, craven, and weak as a rule, as all of history is witness.
(*for clarity, not referring to any particular individual here, just to highlight the obvious fallacy of the belief)
Posted this reply to IndyDave in another thread, but somehow seems appropriate here too!
Sorta puts a different spin on one of Rev. Wright's sermons where he so poignantly exclaimed: "The chickennnnnns are coming home......to roost !"
Yup, you're right... And for thousands of years it was perfectly fine for one human being to OWN another, and treat them however they saw fit. For centuries in this country we had slavery, it was the "socially accepted norm" that you're referring to. We also didn't let black men or any women vote for a LONG time. Any of these socially accepted norms you would like to go back to being enforced? After all, black men make up a much smaller percentage (especially back then) of our population than white men. We shouldn't change for a small percentage, right?Sorry, we weren't discussing the many ways in which humans fail to live up to the ideals they aspire to, we were discussing the history (or lack thereof) of "gay marriage" relative to the thousands of years of history of "marriage" being between a man and a woman.
Yup, you're right... And for thousands of years it was perfectly fine for one human being to OWN another, and treat them however they saw fit. For centuries in this country we had slavery, it was the "socially accepted norm" that you're referring to. We also didn't let black men or any women vote for a LONG time. Any of these socially accepted norms you would like to go back to being enforced? After all, black men make up a much smaller percentage (especially back then) of our population than white men. We shouldn't change for a small percentage, right?
Seem to be missing a key point here. Slavery goes againt human dignity, it was a sin against humanity that was very slow in being eliminated from our culture. It went against human dignity. Do we want to condone another form of sin against human dignity? Every argument for equal treatment of gays, and arguments for gay marrige, have implicit in them the assumption or premise that homosexual behavior is as acceptable as any other form of human companionship. Those of us who beleive that homosexual behavior is objectively wrong, i.e. sinful, are then labeled as bigots by those who want us to accept what we believe to be wrong as something that is "just as normal". Sin is in essence slavery, it keeps the human spirit from attaining to it full dignity. That is why these discussions are somewhat pointless. The two sides will never meet. There is only one true evil in this world, and that is sin. Men are all capable of turning away from sin. All men are called to turn away from sin, not to make an alliance with it. Why do we feel compelled to call what is wrong right? Every man has his own struggle with sin, every single man. Why should being gay give a man or a woman a license that no other person has? Every man is capable of love and dignity, that involves mastery of self. If I say to a man who has an inclination to gamble or drink to excess so that it destroys his family, his marriage, his finances, if I say to him that he should not do those things, am I being hateful, or am I trying to help him realize his true dignity and freedom?