oh jeeze, yeah no kidding. I made the mistake of taking my 10 year old to shoot for the first time @ Blythes. Everyone was kind but the acoustics... its like asking to scare the crap out of the kid.And go outdoors!
oh jeeze, yeah no kidding. I made the mistake of taking my 10 year old to shoot for the first time @ Blythes. Everyone was kind but the acoustics... its like asking to scare the crap out of the kid.And go outdoors!
This brings up Shoot Point Blank, demanding to see a stamp from VUPD several years ago. They have no right. A stamp is nothing more than a tax form. Imagine going to the car wash, and they demand to see your vehicle registration, also a tax form, before they’ll wash your truck.
An NFA form must be presented to the ATF upon request, per the form. That makes sense, no big deal. But, often times, NFA items are illegal in states, without approval from the ATF.
Per the form, only the ATF can demand to see the form, but, failure to produce it could get you arrested by the locals, as machine guns (and other NFA items) are only legal with ATF approval, AKA, a stamp.
Show the stamp to anyone with a badge requesting to see it. If a range officer demands it, go somewhere else.
Ive had several range officers ask and i always refused. Had a cop called on me for it once and he basically said its not his problem. Only once have I had an atf employee ask to see it on a range. Other then that no one really sees em.Comments on the "5320 isn't for suppressors" discussion has me wondering.
I'm curious - has anyone ever been asked to see papers from an LE agency? I see how it could happen at a range, especially with an MG, but has an officer / ranger / sheriff / ATF ever asked to see your papers?
Not debating the "they have no right" argument so let's not go there. I'm only interested in personal experiences. If so, how did it go?
wow, I didn't know they creep like thatonce have I had an atf employee ask to see it on a range
Im a firearms instructor so Im on the range quite often. That being said only being stopped once in all that time seems pretty good to me. Granted id rather it didn't happen at all.wow, I didn't know they creep like that
ahhIm a firearms instructor so Im on the range quite often
I believe if I was your assist Chief I would have given you the same options my friend.Kinda the same thing i guess. When I was a couple months on the pd our assistant chief asked for sbr paperwork for a 10.5 AR with Shockwave blade. Told him I didn't have tax forms but had the opinion letter saying it was OK. He refused to look at the letter and told me to remove it or go to jail. I always wanted to be a cop so I did as I was told then sent him and email with the opinion letter attached. That should have been a red flag but I ignored it because I'm an idiot.
I believe if I was your assist Chief I would have given you the same options my friend.
Ive always felt in the nfa world if its an adj buttstock with a butt plate.
And under a 16" barrel, it needs a stamp.
Wrong, right its indifferent. Its the law of the land.
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Hope you're not or ever have been a cop. Using your own words, show your work. How did you come to the conclusion that it's against the law? On multiple occasions the atf said it was perfectly legal even under a democrat president. At the time (summer 2017) I had a 2017 dated opinion letter saying i was gtg. Your opinion carries zero weight. Your criteria for a stock is not relevant. There's a reason he's spending countless hours in federal court and it's because he has the same ideas you do and that he thinks hes the law and makes the decisions. And there's a reason the rest of the department is not in federal court it's because we enforced laws on the books not laws we made up.I believe if I was your assist Chief I would have given you the same options my friend.
Ive always felt in the nfa world if its an adj buttstock with a butt plate.
And under a 16" barrel, it needs a stamp.
Wrong, right its indifferent. Its the law of the land.
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To make it even better he had an ar pistol with the older style sig brace on it locked in the patrol car rifle rack. In other words rules for thee not for me.Well, with that attitude, I certainly hope you aren't in law enforcement in any capacity.
The issue here is that chief was WRONG. It (at the time) wasn't considered an SBR and needed no paperwork.
If we have law enforcement officers, acting in an official capacity, just making up laws and then enforcing them on a whim, that would be the earmarks of a police state, not a constitutional republic.
Well, with that attitude, I certainly hope you aren't in law enforcement in any capacity.
The issue here is that chief was WRONG. It (at the time) wasn't considered an SBR and needed no paperwork.
If we have law enforcement officers, acting in an official capacity, just making up laws and then enforcing them on a whim, that would be the earmarks of a police state, not a constitutional republic.
Well, its just one guys opinion with 40+ of NFA, when the brace started it was a just a tube.Hope you're not or ever have been a cop. Using your own words, show your work. How did you come to the conclusion that it's against the law? On multiple occasions the atf said it was perfectly legal even under a democrat president. At the time (summer 2017) I had a 2017 dated opinion letter saying i was gtg. Your opinion carries zero weight. Your criteria for a stock is not relevant. There's a reason he's spending countless hours in federal court and it's because he has the same ideas you do and that he thinks hes the law and makes the decisions. And there's a reason the rest of the department is not in federal court it's because we enforced laws on the books not laws we made up.
Well your wrong, its been the Law of the Land since 1934 GCA. No if and or butt's my friend.Well, with that attitude, I certainly hope you aren't in law enforcement in any capacity.
The issue here is that chief was WRONG. It (at the time) wasn't considered an SBR and needed no paperwork.
If we have law enforcement officers, acting in an official capacity, just making up laws and then enforcing them on a whim, that would be the earmarks of a police state, not a constitutional republic.
Go and read the 1934 Gun Control Act. It will be en-lighting.@Creedmoor Again show your work. Show me where it is said in gca or nfa that a pistol brace is illegal. Show me in indiana code where it says a pistol brace is illegal. We have all the time in the world because it's not there. you said it yourself you "FELT" (post #31) and your "OPINION" (post #35). That's not how law enforcement works. I "felt" the guy that sexually assaulted a woman should be drug out in the street and shot but that's not the law. It is my "opinion" that Marijuana should be legal but that's not the law. You can't use your opinion and feelings to take people's freedom away. It seems you have zero grasp on law and the constitution. You would make an excellent atf agent though since you're willing to lock Americans in cages over a piece of plastic that was continually deemed legal.