You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to MarkC again.
Anyone who does not see this escalating to factory animals is blind.
Strange that the peeps that say they are the tolerant ones somehow have areas where they are not tolerant.
If they want dog fighting illegal, fine. Should be a state issue, not federal.
...and then a low level misdemeanor, not a felony. Fines.
They are animals. We refrain from cruelty because we are humans, not them.
Many of the same people who decry the power of the federal government are arguing that we should increase the power of the federal government into an area traditionally regulated by the states, animal cruelty law.
There should be, and are, strong state laws against animal cruelty. Last legislative session Indiana passed HEA 1615, increasing protections for animals.
See what a great job the feds are doing in the area of firearms laws? And you want to bring companion animal laws under this same purview?
This is yet another area where the federal government is creeping into daily life that used to be solely regulated by state and local government. I am passionate about my companion animals, and Mrs. MarkC and I are essentially running a rescue out of our house. But creating yet another set of federal crimes is not the answer.
Nobody said anything about pre-crime. If you are convicted, you deserve to be punished.
Okay, I will concede that it should be at the state level, but also be consistent across the states. Sorry fellas... I tend to get my hackles up when it comes to animal cruelty. Ultimately as long as the abusers are being severely punished, I'm perfectly happy with the states doing the punishing.
I get that some people only see animals as "property" or "things". Don't understand it, but I get that those people exist. I also love me some meat. What I hate is cruelty.
OK I'll admit it.
When my daughter's fish went belly up, I told her I'd take care of it. But the second I pushed down that lever, Mr Bubbles flipped over and swam laps like an olympic champ..... for a second. I think he would have made it too if it weren't for that morning log. Maybe he he just likes sleeping on his back.
Am I in trouble?
But that says "electrocution". Hopefully you don't have an electric toilet. That just doesn't sound good (unless you are in an extreme hurry).
I disagree. People that prey upon the weak and the helpless - two legs or four - for sport and take pleasure in the pain of others should not be allowed to walk among us. An MMA fighter gives consent, a dog cannot
Not vegan. Earlier, I explicity said that "commercial animals" should be excluded from the law, as long as they are killed humanely. If you beat your cattle, pigs, chickens, whatever, just for jollies, then you should be charged accordingly.
If beating a dog, or a cat is what you do to get your rocks off, then you should be forced to eat the animal raw, fur, bones and all. And if you didn't die from choking on the bones, I'd be okay with putting you (rhetorical "you") to death, or at least be subjected to the equivalent torture you subjected the animal to. I'd be happy to administer that penalty, and I would sleep quite well at night.
Nobody said anything about pre-crime. If you are convicted, you deserve to be punished.
I would give my life, and take another if someone took the life of one of my pets without reason (as in one of my pets threatened your life). Sorry. Ridicule me if you must. Come armed if you care to test it.
I just hope that none of you that are against this law own pets. They must live a miserable existence. Probably kept chained outside with no shelter, food or water. I mean, they're just animals after all.
OK I'll admit it.
When my daughter's fish went belly up, I told her I'd take care of it. But the second I pushed down that lever, Mr Bubbles flipped over and swam laps like an olympic champ..... for a second. I think he would have made it too if it weren't for that morning log. Maybe he he just likes sleeping on his back.
Am I in trouble?
"Electrocution" refers to one of the other provisions, that I did not include.
However, I have to agree on the desirability of an electric toilet.
From the Indiana Code section which creates exemptions to the animal neglect/cruelty laws:
IC 35-46-3-5 Exceptions from chapter; electrocution
Sec. 5. (a) Except as provided in subsections (b) through (c), this chapter does not apply to the following:
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(9) Destruction of or injury to a fish.
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So, I think you're good.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to MarkC again.
So the question remains, is fishing with a TA-312/pt field telephone legal or not?