Frank_N_Stein
Grandmaster
Now that made me laugh.
As your post that I quoted made me.
Now that made me laugh.
As your post that I quoted made me.
How long were you in?
Frank is one of those guys you (sopwith) described as having "god like powers".
I just got back from smiting some fools that didn't obey me.
Which is why i don't mess with Frank.
Or Leroy Brown. But that's a different story.
Heck, I don't even mess with Leroy Brown. He's bad.
Here is a video specific to the aftermath of a self defense shooting incident. It contradicts in part the famous "Dont Talk To Police" video seen around the internets and in the OP of this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP84guGKnNg
LEO experience, complete 2nd Amendment supporter. Here's just some tips...
If a LEO asks you to do something, cool heads always prevail. I'd rather be pissed off and validated through a lawsuit than OC sprayed, tased and handcuffed for resisting. Mind you verbal resistance is just that, resistance. If it is unlawful, sue not only them but the department for a violation of your rights. It's your free will to do so. File a complaint with the department.
If you open carry you have opened yourself to be a target of a would be assailant as a threat to their goal of whatever crime they want to commit. I open carry as well as CC and I believe IMO it can also deter crime, its a roll of the dice just like life is! As well as you would be open to be ID by a LEO which is lawful to ask for, including your carry permit. I personally have NO issue with anyone open carrying, I think that we as responsible gun owners have a duty to present ourselves in a presentable and responsible manner to neglect any of the common stereotypes of gun owners of any kind!
There is good and bad in this world of either side of any fence, every situation is different and you can only prepare for them mentally and physically through training and prepardness. I suggest you do just that!
LEO experience, complete 2nd Amendment supporter. Here's just some tips...
If a LEO asks you to do something, cool heads always prevail. I'd rather be pissed off and validated through a lawsuit than OC sprayed, tased and handcuffed for resisting. Mind you verbal resistance is just that, resistance. If it is unlawful, sue not only them but the department for a violation of your rights. It's your free will to do so. File a complaint with the department.
If you open carry you have opened yourself to be a target of a would be assailant as a threat to their goal of whatever crime they want to commit. I open carry as well as CC and I believe IMO it can also deter crime, its a roll of the dice just like life is! As well as you would be open to be ID by a LEO which is lawful to ask for, including your carry permit. I personally have NO issue with anyone open carrying, I think that we as responsible gun owners have a duty to present ourselves in a presentable and responsible manner to neglect any of the common stereotypes of gun owners of any kind!
There is good and bad in this world of either side of any fence, every situation is different and you can only prepare for them mentally and physically through training and prepardness. I suggest you do just that!
If they pull on me when I am not threatening anyone then I will pull out on them in self defense until they lower there's first mine will stay up they have no right to pull on u if you aren't doing anything wrong
It's legal for a LEO to ask for ID, sure, but nobody is required to produce ID when ordered unless said LEO can establish and articulate probable cause to believe such a person has committed a crime. If you're alright with only being lightly molested as opposed to getting some hardcore, full-frontal, hands-on action, then yeah, sure, produce ID and be on your way.
In the same situation, it's legal for an officer to ask if they can take someone's weapon, but if they do it without asking, or coerce the person to do so, it immediately becomes a violation of that person's 4th amendment rights.
It is perfectly reasonable for an open carrier to affirm those rights by firmly, politely refusing a LEO's request for ID.
This is also why it's a good idea to always record the police, so there's an ironclad record of what was said and done and by whom.
Actually, they need reasonable suspicion of an infraction or ordinance violation, not probable cause. If an officer in Indiana asks to see your LTCH while you are open carrying, I would politely comply. But that's just me. Hopefully soon we will get the needed changes to the Indiana Code so the default status isn't a felony.
There are many threads on this btw, but welcome to INGO!
Thanks for the welcome! It's nice to be among like-minded locals.
I would also give my license upon request, but then I try to defer to the least confrontational option whenever possible. That said, several federal courts have determined that the simple presence of a firearm does not constitute reasonable suspicion. Same way operating a motor vehicle does not constitute reasonable suspicion.