The only negotiating thats done when a corporations employees vote to go Union are the company accepts the employees are going Union or the doors get closed.
What a great bargining table that is, for a for profit company
If your Amazon delivery guy truly was unhappy, he would find new employment.
So tell me, if your last name was Walton and one of your distribution centers voted to go union like say,,,, now are you going to now sit at the table and bargin or just shut the distribution center down and lay the 1,000 employees off.They negotiate a contract. I don't think that's to hard to understand.
Well I guess it would depend on how bad they need that distribution center. The workers have the right to unionize and they did it. You said the employees tell the company what benefits they are going to receive, and that's nonsense. They negotiate, a retired union man should understand the difference.So tell me, if your last name was Walton and one of your distribution centers voted to go union like say,,,, now are you going to now sit at the table and bargin or just shut the distribution center down and lay the 1,000 employees off.
And lets remember im a retired Union man.
I always hear this argument. I think you're able to have a civil discussion so I will ask you when was their time and place and why were they needed?True to a point, but also a bit disingenuous. There aren't a ton of unskilled jobs making the same level of money. There also aren't too many that can work that many hours and educate and better themselves after hours to earn a better salary with a better career. Especially if you throw family responsibilities in the mix. Back in the day, I worked 2 jobs while going to college part time to earn a degree and that was after doing a stint in the Army to pay for my education. I feel like not as many want to work that hard any more. There are a ton of people who feel like they shouldn't put in the effort and any job they take should automatically provide them enough money and benefits not only for themselves, but for a family of 4. The world just doesn't work that way.
Anyway, to the topic of the Amazon union, I guess I just don't get it. I'm against unions. They had their time and place but the time and place are over IMO. This is where I agree with Creedmoor that if they wages, hours or such aren't to the employees liking, they can go elsewhere. The company has to have workers so if they can't retain workers they would have to provide better. This smacks of what I was saying in the previous paragraph, people seem to feel that any job they pick should automatically provide them with everything they need without effort. I guess I should admit there are some areas where jobs aren't as available, but in those cases people should move to areas where jobs are more plentiful, or commute. Most problems have solutions, even if they aren't easy solutions.
Most of those are personal choices that one has to make in life.True to a point, but also a bit disingenuous. There aren't a ton of unskilled jobs making the same level of money. There also aren't too many that can work that many hours and educate and better themselves after hours to earn a better salary with a better career. Especially if you throw family responsibilities in the mix. Back in the day, I worked 2 jobs while going to college part time to earn a degree and that was after doing a stint in the Army to pay for my education. I feel like not as many want to work that hard any more. There are a ton of people who feel like they shouldn't put in the effort and any job they take should automatically provide them enough money and benefits not only for themselves, but for a family of 4. The world just doesn't work that way.
Anyway, to the topic of the Amazon union, I guess I just don't get it. I'm against unions. They had their time and place but the time and place are over IMO. This is where I agree with Creedmoor that if they wages, hours or such aren't to the employees liking, they can go elsewhere. The company has to have workers so if they can't retain workers they would have to provide better. This smacks of what I was saying in the previous paragraph, people seem to feel that any job they pick should automatically provide them with everything they need without effort. I guess I should admit there are some areas where jobs aren't as available, but in those cases people should move to areas where jobs are more plentiful, or commute. Most problems have solutions, even if they aren't easy solutions.
What i'm saying is the the for profit company is put in the corner if employees vote to become a Union work force. If employees vote to become Union the company does not have the option to continue on with that business in that location as they were the day before the vote was taken.Well I guess it would depend on how bad they need that distribution center. The workers have the right to unionize and they did it. You said the employees tell the company what benefits they are going to receive, and that's nonsense. They negotiate, a retired union man should understand the difference.
If they didn't put the employees in a position of thinking they need a union to have a fair work environment then they wouldn't have organized.What i'm saying is the the for profit company is put in the corner if employees vote to become a Union work force. If employees vote to become Union the company does not have the option to continue on with that business in that location as they were the day before the vote was taken.
The options are to bargin or close the doors.
If I was business owner im not sure I would like those options.
Im quite sure that happens.If they didn't put the employees in a position of thinking they need a union to have a fair work environment then they wouldn't have organized.
What is a fair work environment to you?If they didn't put the employees in a position of thinking they need a union to have a fair work environment then they wouldn't have organized.
Nope, they all suck…FIFY
Yes sir. They had their day. They were absorbed by a political party and are nothing but a worker paid division of that political party…Unions at one time were great. Now, they will suck you dry
I worked at one of the few remaining non-union Goodyear plants (at the time) and saw two union drives while we were there. I didn't sign a card the first time but did the second time because I was on my way out the door for the last time when they approached me.Hope they are realistic in what they expect to happen now. I worked at a place where some people were talking about joining a union. They seemed to think as soon as they joined they would have benefits and higher wages. I left there before anything got serious but don't think they ever did.
Another place I worked was a small electric motor/machine shop and one of the nine employees contacted the IBEW and got things set up and a vote done. The company put out a lot of BS about how everyone was better off without a union. Vote went 8 to 1 with my vote the only one "for." Yes, the person that started it all ended up voting against the union. You can bet your a** in a small shop I never admitted to anyone I had that lone vote. Left there soon anyway. Jim.
I always hear this argument. I think you're able to have a civil discussion so I will ask you when was their time and place and why were they needed?
Does one honestly believe that the non union companies will continue the perks without the threat of employees voting to go Union?
At the dawn of the 20th century. A time when men died daily in factories making cars and the like. There were no work regulations, no OSHA. That has all changed, the federal regulations are likely better than the early union contracts.I always hear this argument. I think you're able to have a civil discussion so I will ask you when was their time and place and why were they needed?
Companies will do what the market requires them to do based on labor supply and demand…Most of those are personal choices that one has to make in life.
Like my father I always worked two jobs, my night job was either, for fun, vacation or hobbie money.
I believe we have many in the work force and in the service that work, save and move up still. We dont see them because they are working.
And lets also understand a person in good health can go and pick prouduct in many companies distrubtion centers and with making good rates make 25 -32 dollars an hour. Thats pretty good bread for unskilled labor slinging bags of pet food on pallets.
Im a firm believer that if Unions disappear shortly also many of the bargined for perks that Union members enjoy, have bleed over the last 100 years to the non union businesses. Does one honestly believe that the non union companies will continue the perks without the threat of employees voting to go Union?
This fails to recognize the sales effort the unions employ to win a vote…If they didn't put the employees in a position of thinking they need a union to have a fair work environment then they wouldn't have organized.
At the dawn of the 20th century. A time when men died daily in factories making cars and the like. There were no work regulations, no OSHA. That has all changed, the federal regulations are likely better than the early union contracts.
The unions were needed and successful beyond their original goals and now cost their members and society…
If they didn't put the employees in a position of thinking they need a union to have a fair work environment then they wouldn't have organized.
My guess is the problem with all theses jobs, Amazon and fast food, is not pay, it is they actually require the individual to work…Much better put than what I said...
Or and probably much more likely, Progressive activists pushed for it.
In any event, just because the employees feel like they deserve more doesn't necessarily make it true. Do fast food employees deserve $15+ an hour? No, but they could unionize and force companies to pay that. Ironic that they didn't need to as instead there was pressure from the socialists and unwashed masses that have lead to this in a lot of places anyway. Not that it has had the desired effect, but that's beside the point.
What does Amazon pay it's workers? I saw signs here a while back advertising $18 an hour for Amazon warehouse positions. Is that too low? I mean, it's unskilled manual labor, so what exactly is that worth? Do they not have benefits? I guess I'm just not sure exactly what the gripe is. I read the CNBC article but it didn't state what the actual concerns were, at least not in depth. Just alluded to employee churn and how politicians had pushed a certain message. What are the actual issues the employees have and is Unionizing likely to solve those concerns?