Well...as free as it can be with the government influences, restrictions, regulations that abound.
-
Be sure to read this post! Beware of scammers. https://www.indianagunowners.com/threads/classifieds-new-online-payment-guidelines-rules-paypal-venmo-zelle-etc.511734/
All raw lead will be coming from outside of the US from now on!
- Thread starter giovani
- Start date
The #1 community for Gun Owners in Indiana
Member Benefits:
Fewer Ads! Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership Discuss anti-gun legislation Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses Discover free outdoor shooting areas View up to date on firearm-related events Share photos & video with other members ...and so much more!
Member Benefits:
Well...as free as it can be with the government influences, restrictions, regulations that abound.
With Gov. influences pushing business off shore I do not think this is free market as it was intended. More like Bravo Sierra EPA crap.
I have seen this agency shut down more than a few company's in this state and others.
HeadlessRoland
Shooter
The government has run off the rails and morphed into this beast - which I am certain the founders would no longer recognize - parading around as a mockery of the same form and type of government they instituted.
If the over-zealous ATF isn't busy regulating away our rights, then it's the EPA. And if not the EPA, then some other alphabet-soup agency hassling and otherwise restricting the citizenry.
Price of lead just skyrocketed because government has seen fit to artificially limit the supply. Somehow this seems familiar.
If the over-zealous ATF isn't busy regulating away our rights, then it's the EPA. And if not the EPA, then some other alphabet-soup agency hassling and otherwise restricting the citizenry.
Price of lead just skyrocketed because government has seen fit to artificially limit the supply. Somehow this seems familiar.
shibumiseeker
Grandmaster
Yeah, like I said, this is the same free market people keep going on about...
My point is that there is no such thing as a "free market," there is always an outside influence that shapes the market whether it is government regulations or artificial shortages of .22 ammo caused by panic and flippers.
You are exactly correct my friend, we retooled existing manufacturing plants. And we have been tearing them down for 50 years and becoming a "service and information economy" (make me puke). We cannot retool machines that are not here!
Even our factories that MAKE machine tools are closed down. The Japanese have reverse engineered some of the finest machine tools and our foolish importation laws have allowed it, shuttering our companies. It's a mess, I do not know how we as a country can fix it at this point.
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car from the profits he made from your dreams.
If there was not money being paid out and profits to be made there would not be the off shore run of business. It is an endless circle between business men/groups and politicians. Follow the money.
BehindBlueI's
Grandmaster
- Oct 3, 2012
- 26,608
- 113
Whats a chipboard? You mean printed circuit board(PCB)? Us electronic techs call it FR4. Google it.
I would support a free market economy, but certain raw materials should be produced on this continent, as a matter of national security. Lead has long been used in bullets because it is incredibly abundant, fairly easy to smelt (if ecologically "messy") and it's very easy to form into cores for jacketed rounds. Further, its malleability allows the entire projectile to "give" some during the shot. We need to produce lead in this country, if for no other reason than to not be dependent on any other nation to provide it.
We need not interfere with the free market to have domestically-produced lead. The Ozarks are some of the richest lead deposits on the planet. The only way we will NOT have lead production is when government interference artificially raising the cost.
This:
Sierra Responds: How Will the Closure of the Lead Smelting Plant Affect Sierra Bullets? | Sierra Bullets
seems to directly refute the "sky is falling", tin foil hat wearing sites reporting with this spin:
Gov Targets Ammo Supply Lines: Prices to Rise Sharply As America's Last Lead Supplier Calls It Quits
Maybe we should all make shotgun shells out of rock salt like they do in the movies...ever notice in the movies, after someone gets shot and has a vest on- they have a close up of them ripping it off then getting back in the fight? Shouldn't they leave it on just in case? Oh well.
Sierra Responds: How Will the Closure of the Lead Smelting Plant Affect Sierra Bullets? | Sierra Bullets
seems to directly refute the "sky is falling", tin foil hat wearing sites reporting with this spin:
Gov Targets Ammo Supply Lines: Prices to Rise Sharply As America's Last Lead Supplier Calls It Quits
Maybe we should all make shotgun shells out of rock salt like they do in the movies...ever notice in the movies, after someone gets shot and has a vest on- they have a close up of them ripping it off then getting back in the fight? Shouldn't they leave it on just in case? Oh well.
I have, by no means, done an in depth study on this but using common sense....Sierra uses recycled batteries as their lead source. Most lead consumed by shooters winds up lost in the field and there is always loss in the recycling processes. So, how will Sierra's sources replenish their lead supplies? Somebody has to the be first customer of Doe Run's product and when that goes away, it has to be replaced by another supplier or the current supply will dwindle and prices will have to rise.
There is so much stuff that we don't make in this country any more. That is one of the reasons that we have the unemployment that we do. All the factory jobs are going away. We have five times more lawyers graduating than there are jobs for them. If you are not in health care or banking you are in a dying field. We don't make any thing here any more. Well we still make the AR. Winchester is made out of the country now. It is my understanding that Marlin is headed out of the country as well.
If there is ever an other world war we will be in trouble. We don't even make boots in this country any more. Do you know that most of the hides from the cows that are killed each day are shipped out of the country and then shipped back in the form of coats and boots. How can it be cheaper to ship the hides out of the country then bring them back in the form of a product? It is little wonder why we are going in debt more each day. We keep giving money to other countries and to big business. There is going to be a reset and it is going to be rough.
My wife told me about this lead deal two weeks ago. She told me to buy some before the price went up. I have about two hundred pounds stock already. I don't think I will bother. I do think I am going to pick up some shot though. I don't have much of that on hand.
If there is ever an other world war we will be in trouble. We don't even make boots in this country any more. Do you know that most of the hides from the cows that are killed each day are shipped out of the country and then shipped back in the form of coats and boots. How can it be cheaper to ship the hides out of the country then bring them back in the form of a product? It is little wonder why we are going in debt more each day. We keep giving money to other countries and to big business. There is going to be a reset and it is going to be rough.
My wife told me about this lead deal two weeks ago. She told me to buy some before the price went up. I have about two hundred pounds stock already. I don't think I will bother. I do think I am going to pick up some shot though. I don't have much of that on hand.
