All hell breaking loose on the Northwest side...

[CHCRandy]

First off, glad all the good guys are ok and none got harmed.

http://www.wthr.com/story/25560406/2014/05/20/police-action-shooting-closed-i-465-on-west-side

I do have a question though. The media reported "Two suspects fled onto I-465, were chased, stopped, and one was shot by police as he tried to run away"......I find this hard to believe. My question, does a LEO have to feel his life is in immediate danger to be justified in firing? Can he fire if he feels that fleeing person could be immediate danger to others (hostages, suicide mission or desperation)?

And please don't take this wrong. It is not meant to criticize the officers actions.....I am all for them cleaning up the city.

 

[devil07]

I did the PIT but missed out on the shooting.

Was wondering whether you were in on any part of it. First thing came to mind when I heard about it "wonder if [Frank] is involved"

 

[Mr Evilwrench]

First off, glad all the good guys are ok and none got harmed.

IMPD identifies suspects involved in police action shooting - 13 WTHR Indianapolis

I do have a question though. The media reported "Two suspects fled onto I-465, were chased, stopped, and one was shot by police as he tried to run away"......I find this hard to believe. My question, does a LEO have to feel his life is in immediate danger to be justified in firing? Can he fire if he feels that fleeing person could be immediate danger to others (hostages, suicide or desperation)?

And please don't take this wrong. It is not meant to criticize the officers actions.....I am all for them cleaning up the city.

You know, sometimes you have to kill them to prevent them committing suicide.

 

[CHCRandy]

You know, sometimes you have to kill them to prevent them committing suicide.

You know, sometimes you have to kill them to prevent them committing suicide after killing 20-30-40 people.

 

[devil07]

First off, glad all the good guys are ok and none got harmed.

IMPD identifies suspects involved in police action shooting - 13 WTHR Indianapolis

I do have a question though. The media reported "Two suspects fled onto I-465, were chased, stopped, and one was shot by police as he tried to run away"......I find this hard to believe. My question, does a LEO have to feel his life is in immediate danger to be justified in firing? Can he fire if he feels that fleeing person could be immediate danger to others (hostages, suicide mission or desperation)?

And please don't take this wrong. It is not meant to criticize the officers actions.....I am all for them cleaning up the city.

Yes to the bolded and highlighted portion. If the person fleeing poses a danger to the public.

From IMPD General orders:
It is the policy of this department to resort to the use of a firearm when it reasonably appears necessary in the performance of an officer’s lawful duty. An officer is approved to use a department authorized firearm in the following circumstances.

A. An officer may use deadly force when he or she has probable cause to believe that deadly force is necessary to prevent the commission of a forcible felony or reasonably believes that that force is necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the officer or a third person (refer to Indiana Code (IC) 35-41-3-2 and IC 35-41-3-3).

B. An officer may use deadly force to affect an arrest of a person who the officer has probable cause to believe poses a threat of serious bodily injury to the officer or a third person (refer to IC 35-41-3-2 and IC 35-41-3-3).

C. An officer may use deadly force if the officer has probable cause to believe that deadly force is necessary to prevent the escape from custody of a person who the officer has probable cause to believe poses a threat of serious bodily injury to the officer or third person, and has given a warning, if feasible, to the person against whom the deadly force is to be used (refer to IC 35-1-3-2 and IC 35-41-3-3).

 

[Benny]

Buy me a dashcam and I'll give you video every shift!

Dash cams aren't a requirement? That is very troubling.

How is a jury supposed to know what happens when a traffic stop goes awry besides just believing the officer did no wrong?

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

First off, glad all the good guys are ok and none got harmed.

IMPD identifies suspects involved in police action shooting - 13 WTHR Indianapolis

I do have a question though. The media reported "Two suspects fled onto I-465, were chased, stopped, and one was shot by police as he tried to run away"......I find this hard to believe. My question, does a LEO have to feel his life is in immediate danger to be justified in firing? Can he fire if he feels that fleeing person could be immediate danger to others (hostages, suicide mission or desperation)?

And please don't take this wrong. It is not meant to criticize the officers actions.....I am all for them cleaning up the city.

He pointed a gun at the officers.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Dash cams aren't a requirement? That is very troubling.

How is a jury supposed to know what happens when a traffic stop goes awry besides just believing the officer did no wrong?

I guess it is all in who you believe more.

 

[hornadylnl]

Dash cams aren't a requirement? That is very troubling.

How is a jury supposed to know what happens when a traffic stop goes awry besides just believing the officer did no wrong?

On the jury I sat on, the officers testimony and the dash cam footage were very different things.

Dash cams... Who needs em?

 

[VUPDblue]

I would love to have a dash cam.

 

[Benny]

I guess it is all in who you believe more.

Yeah, that's ****ty.

A dash cam would ensure the innocent party goes free and the guilty party gets charged accordingly.

It's hard to believe that this isn't mandatory for a person of authority. I know if I was an officer, I'd have one whether the department supplied it or not.

He said/she said wastes too much time in court. Cold, hard evidence is quick and efficient.

 

[hornadylnl]

Yeah, that's ****ty.

A dash cam would ensure the innocent party goes free and the guilty party gets charged accordingly.

It's hard to believe that this isn't mandatory for a person of authority. I know if I was an officer, I'd have one whether the department supplied it or not.

He said/she said wastes too much time in court. Cold, hard evidence is quick and efficient.

Cold hard evidence also acquits.

 

[VUPDblue]

I had a fine citizen accuse me last week, in open court, of pointing my gun in his face and saying "you are in big trouble now, boy". I would love to have dash cam video of the stop clearly showing that no such thing happened. Fortunately the judge saw through his extra-chunky bull****....

 

[hornadylnl]

I had a fine citizen accuse me last week, in open court, of pointing my gun in his face and saying "you are in big trouble now, boy". I would love to have dash cam video of the stop clearly showing that no such thing happened. Fortunately the judge saw through his extra-chunky bull****....

All the more reason for dash cams.

 

[Benny]

Cold hard evidence also acquits.

Which is really more important IMO. I couldn't imagine getting convicted of a crime I didn't commit.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I would love to have a dash cam.

Or, or, Stacey Dash cam, not saying, just saying.

Cannot believe Pooh Bear does not share his honey pot with IMPD. There should be cameras and sound all over IMPD cars as much money is there.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

all over IMPD cars as much money is there.

You keep saying that, yet I keep having to scrounge for paper clips and we just got an e-mail that if you want Post-it notes, you have to buy them yourself.

 

[Tactical Dave]

In the hood I watched a lady almost fly off the handle because some IMPD was driving fast down her street on her phone...... Apparently a relative has been getting "harassed" by 5-0

 

[Kirk Freeman]

You keep saying that,

Because it is true. Law enforcement is swimming in dough in Marion County.

 

[T755]

Well thats good to know. There for a min I though I'd have to ride to work on a golf cart from the cricket field.