It never ceases to amaze me how an empty shelf magically transforms the amount of ammo one has from prodigious to paltry. I go from "Why do I have so much ammo?" to "How could I have been so shortsighted?" in an instant.
And it does not matter how much the "how much" is...lol
What’s the point in trying to get all into 9mm technology when there’s no ammo to be had? Are we getting starved out? How long does it take for mfr to gear up for demand? At what point do shooters abandon 9mm for more available ammo?
You mean like this:
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Why not consider finding a buddy or two and order 1,000 rounds or so, then split the order?
Splitting a thousand rounds?
Splitting a thousand rounds?
Exactly what I thought when I read that.Splitting a thousand rounds?
Manufacturers don't have excess manufacturing capacity laying about unused. It's called "waste" - of facility floor spaced - of unused manufacturing lines that must be maintained - of people laying about waiting for dramatically increased demand like the Maytag Repairman. Welcome to "Lean Manufacturing" in which a manufacturer only has and maintains the space, machines and personnel required for their normal demand, running it 24/7 at as close to about 95% capacity as possible - to allow for planned preventive maintenance and the very rare (hopefully never if preventive is done right) unplanned corrective maintenance. There is a predictable and stable consumption rate, until events like the Floyd riots occur. Manufacturers cannot make a business case to spend capital investment to temporarily increase capacity, and then liquidate it all afterward. Too expensive. They'd never get their investment back out much less turn a profit on it (called return on investment, aka ROI). They'd lose money doing it.
This is precisely what occurred with toilet paper. People blamed it on China. TP isn't made in China; its volume per unit price makes it much too expensive to ship across the Pacific to North America. It's made domestically in factories running at 90-95% capacity 24/7. Create a massive run on TP? You're going to have a massive shortage on store shelves. Zero excess capacity to swallow the enormously larger demand.
Went to the local Rural King - near zero pistols, a few revolvers - and near zero ammunition. No shotguns except a couple single shot .410's. A few rifles, but zero AR-15 platform. Not only is there a dearth of ammo of any common type, there's a dearth of firearms.
John
Thanks. You said this before I did.
If a manufacturer runs 2 shifts a day, they can hire and train people, and open the 3rd shift up.
But, they have to seed the 3rd shift with experienced people, people that may not want to work it.
They can offer overtime, that will help some, but you can't keep working everyone 70-80 hour weeks, and not expect it to cause problems when a tired worker makes a mistake.
You can build a new facility, or add on to one, but what happens if you spend a million dollars, and then the market drops out?
And sooner or later, it will, drop out.
This ^^^
CCI/Speer opened a new, dedicated rimfire ammo plant in August of '17. It was the first such new plant in the US in years.
I don't have a definitive source, but I've been told they are running as much as they possibly can right now ... which would make sense. And CCI/Speer -- part of Vista Outdoors, formerly ATK -- knows a bit about making ammo.
And yes, I understand the desire for simplicity, to concentrate on 1 pistol and 1 rifle caliber.
Or just 1 caliber.
The problem is, when you can't find it.
So, I'll stick with the headache of 5 pistol cals, and 2 rifle cals.
Or something like that. I could have forgotten some.
What’s the point in trying to get all into 9mm technology when there’s no ammo to be had? Are we getting starved out? How long does it take for mfr to gear up for demand? At what point do shooters abandon 9mm for more available ammo?
Let me see if I can remember what I have...
Pistol:
.32 acp, .380, 9x18 Mak, 9mm Luger, 9mm Largo, .38 special, .357 magnum, .45 acp, .45 Colt, 7.62x25 Tok, (and .22 lr)
Rifle: .22 lr, .223/5.56, 30-40 Krag, 6.5x53R, 6.5x55 Swede, 6.5x50 Jap, .303 Brit, 30 carbine, 30-06, .308/7.62x51 NATO, 8mm Mauser, 45-70, 7.62x54R, 7.5 Swiss... I think that's it.
So, what is holding you back?
Everytime I see this thread I can't help but to hum Tenth Avenue Freeze Out