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  • TWalker

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    Another Millennial here.

    I started helping my neighbor roof when I was 12. My parents were getting divorced, my mother had 4 kids and was she was a receptionist. Needless to say money was tight/nonexistent. I didn't play sports because I couldn't afford it. Luckily, I paid attention and worked every opportunity I had. When I was 16 I was a gifted an old Jeep Wrangler. I started my own mowing company, with a small loan from an old man, by the end of my first summer I had everything paid off. I had a trailer, Scag turf tiger, and the rest of my equipment was Stihl. After I graduated I worked a few odd jobs and continued to mow. I went and played Army for a while. After receiving a med-board I decided to go to college. I'm currently in my Junior year double majoring in Biology and Biochemistry. I was raised knowing that I have to work for the things I want. Not all millennials are self-entitled, lazy, socialists.

    It really irks me that everyone complains about how my generation was raised, when the previous generation was responsible for raising us, and they were responsible for the school curriculum set in place etc. Yet you all wonder where we learnt to play the blame game.

    The sad thing is that my only employable skill right now is construction. I've worked in factories, hospitals, private sector health care, and a few other places. Other than construction,there wasn't any training or promise for advancement. I was just labor, only trained enough to do my job efficiently, nothing more. I wasn't given any opportunity for advancement because 1. I didn't have a degree or 2. The old timers were threatened by a smart young buck that would settle for less money. Perfect example was roofing. A lot of the guys I worked for wouldn't teach me to lay shingles, I was there for tear off and to pack shingles. As soon as I was taught to lay shingles I could make more money or do my own jobs. Guess what, Now I do my own roof jobs because those old men were right. I was that hungry young buck coming for their spot. I've found that when employers learn of my ambition they either hold me down or bury me in extra work. So why should I owe them any loyalty?

    People should also understand the way we learn is different. We are being raised in the age of technology. Remembering everything doesn't seem as practical because our google-fu is strong. We can have the answer to a problem we don't understand before you figure out which book you should start reading first. My hat is off to the generations that went through college without the internet. I could not imagine going through some of my classes without it, in fact some would be impossible.
     

    Shadow8088

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    So why should I owe them any loyalty?
    Because it's your job... it's as simple as that. You don't like the way you're being treated? You don't like the pay? You feel like you're being held down? Then find a new job.

    I make more money than my supervisor. He's been at the job a year longer than me. Do you want to know WHY I make more than him? I show up early for work. I don't run out the door at quitting time. I go the extra mile. I go out of my way to help those around me. And I do it without expectation of reward. On top of all of that... you have to put in your time. You can't walk in and expect them to automatically advance you just because you know how to sling shingle... Like anything else, you gotta walk before you can run. Its not all about whether you know how to do the job, it's can you do YOUR job. Show them that you have no problem busting your ass at any job they give you and maybe one day down the road you get your shot at the next level.... oh, but... yeah.. that takes dedication and hard work... forget I said anything...
     

    IndyDave1776

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    Because it's your job... it's as simple as that. You don't like the way you're being treated? You don't like the pay? You feel like you're being held down? Then find a new job.

    I make more money than my supervisor. He's been at the job a year longer than me. Do you want to know WHY I make more than him? I show up early for work. I don't run out the door at quitting time. I go the extra mile. I go out of my way to help those around me. And I do it without expectation of reward. On top of all of that... you have to put in your time. You can't walk in and expect them to automatically advance you just because you know how to sling shingle... Like anything else, you gotta walk before you can run. Its not all about whether you know how to do the job, it's can you do YOUR job. Show them that you have no problem busting your ass at any job they give you and maybe one day down the road you get your shot at the next level.... oh, but... yeah.. that takes dedication and hard work... forget I said anything...

    I am going to argue that you are the beneficiary of an outdated and vanishing paradigm. There are still a few places left where this will work, but unfortunately, all too often advancement is a social phenomenon rather than a practical one, which does much to breed a mercenary attitude in employees who might not otherwise have such an outlook. I have been fortunate in having a few jobs where merit wold carry you a long way, right down to being the only person in a good mood at starting time in the morning, but on the other hand have also worked in environments in which no matter what you did, right down to materially contributing to the expansion of the operation, you were going to stay right where you were and some outsider would be brought to lap up the gravy. As you could imagine, this led to a large ration of IDGAF by the time those who had worked their tails off with the promise of getting in early on the ground floor figured out that there was no future in it.
     

    TWalker

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    Because it's your job... it's as simple as that. You don't like the way you're being treated? You don't like the pay? You feel like you're being held down? Then find a new job.

    I make more money than my supervisor. He's been at the job a year longer than me. Do you want to know WHY I make more than him? I show up early for work. I don't run out the door at quitting time. I go the extra mile. I go out of my way to help those around me. And I do it without expectation of reward. On top of all of that... you have to put in your time. You can't walk in and expect them to automatically advance you just because you know how to sling shingle... Like anything else, you gotta walk before you can run. Its not all about whether you know how to do the job, it's can you do YOUR job. Show them that you have no problem busting your ass at any job they give you and maybe one day down the road you get your shot at the next level.... oh, but... yeah.. that takes dedication and hard work... forget I said anything...

    Don't lecture me on dedication and hard work. I don't get outworked. Ask any of the guys that have worked for me, ask any of my previous employers. My last job I was salary for a fairly large construction company in Indianapolis, so don't come at me saying I walk in and throw my weight around, I don't. When I first got out of the military I would work 3rds at a factory, then do construction during the day and sleep a few hours before I went back to the factory. I didn't drag ass at either job. I was still trying to be better than everyone else.

    I used to think early on that if I made my employer more money then he would give me more money, Seems like a simple concept, but that hasn't been the case in my experience. I know a team that made the company 30mil on a 3 year project and then they weren't given their promised bonuses. Explain that one to me. Guess what most of the people on that team no longer work there and everyone that left makes more money now.
     

    eldirector

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    Since this has turned into a career advice thread:

    If you work for a ****ty company, and have marketable skills, get out. Seriously. If the upper management is intolerable, and you don't want to (or can't) play their game, there is no way you will change it. So, move on.

    If you are working for an otherwise decent company:
    1) Make your boss look good. As in: he/she should get compliments about how awesome their team is from other folks in management, especially their superiors.
    2) Make your team look good. You all should feel like you are kicking ass and taking names, and it is up to each of you to make that happen.
    3) GET KNOWN. A lot of folks feel like this is the "social" part of getting promoted. The "good ole boys club", as it were. The truth is, you cannot move up if the folks above you have NO idea who you even are.
    4) Work above your level. Doing awesome at your job isn't enough. Show Management that you can do the job you WANT.
    5) Groom a successor. You can't move up if you can't be replaced.
    6) Your #1 employer is YOURSELF (OK, maybe your family). You are contracting some of your time, skills, and knowledge to your secondary employer, in exchange for money and some other benefits. Neither of you OWES the other anything beyond that agreement. Your boss isn't going to give you more, simply out of the kindness of their heart. YOU need to convince them it is in their best interest. If you don't, someone else will, and you will be left "turning the crank".

    Ok, I'll get off my soap box now.
     

    JTScribe

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    What's the definition of millennial, again? I was born in '78, does that count?

    I started at my company ~3 months after graduating high school as a temp. IT outsourcing and services. Company will not be named here but . . . I would imagine most of y'all would recognize it.

    There was basically zero actual work to do when I started. My coworker loved it; we basically would run around and hold end-users' hands on systems. If we couldn't fix it without tools, we called in the field techs.

    That drove me absolutely bonkers, so I basically started following the techs around and asking them to show me things. Eventually started doing a lot of the work in house without bringing in the outside guys, which was a net profit for my division since we had an internal chargeout. A few promotions, a couple of company paid-for IT degrees and 20 years later, I've got a virtual office job working from home so I get to surf INGO all day. :rockwoot:

    But . . . the weird thing is, a lot of the folks I hired on with have either gone on to other jobs or are basically doing the same low-level admin stuff we did when we got hired on. And yeah, they were millennials, too. Personally, I don't get it, I'm hyper. I can't stand to just sit around unless I'm on vacation or something.
     
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