A 9mm may expand, but a 45 will never shrink.That and bigger holes bleed more.
A 9mm may expand, but a 45 will never shrink.That and bigger holes bleed more.
90% of the reason is cost. How many threads/remarks are always because the round is cheap by comparison. Thats always the argument and I get it. If you train like you are supposed to its not cheap with a 45 and its silly spendy with a 10mm. Yeah, I get it but it's mostly about the expense with many shooters or casual owners.Don't underestimate the 9mm. It is the best selling less-than-leathal round sold today.
IIRC @BehindBlueI's has statistics that show citizens run into two or more criminals pretty often. BehindBlueI's or another can give you the link to that thread. It's very informative.I’m surprised we are still having this debate……
Both are fine, pick good ammo and learn to shoot it fast and straight. Your issue of “undergunned” I don’t think will matter much in most civilian defense encounters.
You’re probably going to be undergunned if you have a job or go places that would pit you against MULTIPLE attackers. In which case you are gonna want something much more substantial than a single stack handgun.
From what I’ve seen two attackers does seem to happen fairly often. So yeah by that statistic go for capacity. I tend to value capacity over a slightly “better” caliber.IIRC @BehindBlueI's has statistics that show citizens run into two or more criminals pretty often. BehindBlueI's or another can give you the link to that thread. It's very informative.
I carry 10mm, 45acp and 9mm depending on the situation I'm going to be in.From what I’ve seen two attackers does seem to happen fairly often. So yeah by that statistic go for capacity. I tend to value capacity over a slightly “better” caliber.
I used to watch a lot of the Active Self Protection channel on YouTube. Shows lots of real world encounters. Learn a lot from security cam footage, badge cam, home cameras. I’ve seen a guy in Cali try to hold up a store, owner ventilated him with a 45 seven times. Guy changed his mind and ran out the door. (Expired in the road). Doesn’t mean 45 is good or bad. Just means that he didn’t hit anything important enough to stop it immediately.
Although when I said multiple I was meaning more like 3+. For instance, if you were armed security for a bank, or an armored car driver…. Much more likely to have multiple threats (and need high capacity) rather than going for a jog and dealing with a mugger.
I think as enthusiasts we tend to split hairs and focus on the macros a bit.
Disclaimer, I have no dog in the fight. I’ve carried .22, .25, .32, .380, 9, 45. They all have their purpose and place.
Absolutely. I think bigger and better holes SHOULD accelerate that clock, gets the threat to stop sooner. Assuming you don’t hit something important to stop instantly.I carry 10mm, 45acp and 9mm depending on the situation I'm going to be in.
I like the 45acp to me it seems to be a more accurate round. I do reload my carry ammo so I usually carry Gold Dot or XTP for the 45acp.
I use CFE Pistol and 230gr XTPs or G Dots.
Out of my 1911 they avg around 950 fps, and that's still below maximum pressure of 21000.
That's 460 ft lbs of energy at 15' or if I added correctly 218 power factor.
I feel confident with the more powerful 45acp.
I just take what I've seen hunting and apply it to the human factor. Big heavy bullets in handguns drop deer better than faster and lighter bullets. Shouldn't it be the same for the human critter?
This is an interesting chart. It shows that 56% of 9mm shootings are fatal. .40 is 54% and .45 jumps to 66%. .357 Mag comes in at about 72%.
But but but…,,9mm is cheap to shoot.This is an interesting chart. It shows that 56% of 9mm shootings are fatal. .40 is 54% and .45 jumps to 66%. .357 Mag comes in at about 72%.
Affordable???…..lol…..miss the pre-Oblama days……$7.99 for a box of UMC (Remington) 9mm at high priced Dunham’s…..if I could go back 15 years for a half an hour / with an untraceable, wife proof, credit card…..I do not have an answer but I do have a comment.
9mm is the largest selling ammo next to the 223/556; secondly the FBI uses 9mm.
Looking into the future? What is most available and what is most affordable.
But a 22, with proper placement in your buddy’s knee cap, guarantees your not bear breakfast….just make sure your out of the woods before lunch….don’t think proper shot placement of the pee shooter is going to stop a hungry grizzly bear!!I have read some of the Alaskans carry the 10mm up in bear country.
Belt fed 5.56mm…..aka the SAW!!!….very controllable….and if your shooting on the government’s nickel, you can mow the lawn!!!! Just a little hard to carry concealed, and at 16+ pounds, good upper body workout!!!! Oh to be young again!!!I’m surprised we are still having this debate……
Both are fine, pick good ammo and learn to shoot it fast and straight. Your issue of “undergunned” I don’t think will matter much in most civilian defense encounters.
You’re probably going to be undergunned if you have a job or go places that would pit you against MULTIPLE attackers. In which case you are gonna want something much more substantial than a single stack handgun.