17 year old kid shot dead by Neighborhood Watch "Captain"

[hornadylnl]

Nope.

Circumstantial.

The narrative the media put forth is getting shot full of holes.

No, but the evidence that Trayvon had been using DXM for a year or more, was looking for stronger stuff, and its known side-effects after long term usage might be a factor in his behavior that night.

The more we find out about Trayvon--the fight club, the drugs, the thefts--it gives the lie to the 140 pound, mild-mannered, innocent narrative spun by the MSM throughout this story.

So it's not the smoking gun as it's being presented then? The meds Zimmerman was on can cause mood swings and other side effects in 10% of those who take them. Is that important?

 

[cobber]

No, but the evidence that Trayvon had been using DXM for a year or more, was looking for stronger stuff, and its known side-effects after long term usage might be a factor in his behavior that night.

The more we find out about Trayvon--the fight club, the drugs, the thefts--it gives the lie to the 140 pound, mild-mannered, innocent narrative spun by the MSM throughout this story.

Where's Al Sharpton these days?

Obama still claiming Trayvon?

This thing spun so far out of control for the baiters. As Ronald Reagan once misspoke, facts are stupid things.

 

[cobber]

So it's not the smoking gun as it's being presented then? The meds Zimmerman was on can cause mood swings and other side effects in 10% of those who take them. Is that important?

Assuming testimony to that effect. Presumably prescribed?

How about Trayvon's skittles-cocktail, doctor's order for that one?

 

[strahd71]

wow hadnt checked in for a while. page 367!

crazy!

carry on

jake

 

[hornadylnl]

Assuming testimony to that effect. Presumably prescribed?

How about Trayvon's skittles-cocktail, doctor's order for that one?

I'm sure they were prescribed. But assuming they played any part in Zimmerman's actions (again, an assumption), would that absolve Zimmerman of any guilt because they were prescribed?

If a tox report can be produced showing that Martin had dxm or whatever it is in his system, that'd be your smoking gun.

 

[griffin]

It's not a smoking gun, it's like a character witness. It's like the fight club. Everyone was saying little Trayvon would never get in a fight, he was too small and weak to punch his way out of a wet paper bag, therefore Zimmerman must have attacked him first. Now we have video of him street fighting. And he appears to be a regular.

A viewing of the video of him at 7-11 reveals he appears to be under the influence of something. His entire history seems as fabricated as Obama's.

But none of that was why he was shot. He was shot because he physically attacked Zimmerman.

 

[hornadylnl]

It's not a smoking gun, it's like a character witness. It's like the fight club. Everyone was saying little Trayvon would never get in a fight, he was too small and weak to punch his way out of a wet paper bag, therefore Zimmerman must have attacked him first. Now we have video of him street fighting. And he appears to be a regular.

A viewing of the video of him at 7-11 reveals he appears to be under the influence of something. His entire history seems as fabricated as Obama's.

But none of that was why he was shot. He was shot because he physically attacked Zimmerman.

What did the tox screens show besides thc in amount that would not affect him? I've been around a lot of people who you would swear were on something and were stone cold sober. I've also been around people who were on meds their doctors prescribed them and were zombies.

 

[cobber]

I'm sure they were prescribed. But assuming they played any part in Zimmerman's actions (again, an assumption), would that absolve Zimmerman of any guilt because they were prescribed?

If a tox report can be produced showing that Martin had dxm or whatever it is in his system, that'd be your smoking gun.

IC 35-41-3-5
Intoxication
Sec. 5. It is a defense that the person who engaged in the prohibited conduct did so while he was intoxicated, only if the intoxication resulted from the introduction of a substance into his body:
(1) without his consent; or
(2) when he did not know that the substance might cause intoxication.
As added by Acts 1976, P.L.148, SEC.1. Amended by Acts 1977, P.L.340, SEC.10; Acts 1980, P.L.205, SEC.1; P.L.210-1997, SEC.4.

IC 12-7-2-122
Intoxicated
Sec. 122. "Intoxicated", for purposes of IC 12-23, means the state of an individual in which the individual's mental or physical functioning is substantially impaired as a result of the use of alcohol, drugs, or harmful substances.
As added by P.L.2-1992, SEC.1.

Although intoxication (impairment) can be a defense in Indiana, it's not defined under Title 35 that I have seen.

I don't know that Z would want to raise such a defense, assuming it existed in FL. But, if he was impaired by meds, he could argue this.

 

[griffin]

What did the tox screens show besides thc

I don't believe the full tox screen has been released. At least I haven't seen it.

 

[CarmelHP]

I've been around a lot of people who you would swear were on something and were stone cold sober.

Then why did you insist that Z could not have believed M was "on something?" That was part of the subjective impression that raised suspicion.

 

[hornadylnl]

I don't believe the full tox screen has been released. At least I haven't seen it.

You'd think that if there was anything besides thc, they'd have said it when the thc news came out. I don't understand this dribble of information. If the tox screen shows the presence of a stimulant type of drug, it would be pretty damning for Martin. I still don't think it would be a smoking gun, case closed piece of evidence though.

 

[hornadylnl]

Then why did you insist that Z could not have believed M was "on something?" That was part of the subjective impression that raised suspicion.

Everybody here knew about the dxm months ago, didn't they? The initial reports said there wasn't anything in his system. Once the thc news came out, they said there wasn't enough in his system to affect him. There still isn't any evidence that backs up Zimmerman's subjective impression.

 

[griffin]

I don't understand this dribble of information.

Angela Corey said she is looking for justice for Trayvon. She did not say she was looking for justice for Zimmerman (which, in theory, is also her job). Why she has only released bits and pieces of her evidence I do not know.

 

[hornadylnl]

Angela Corey said she is looking for justice for Trayvon. She did not say she was looking for justice for Zimmerman (which, in theory, is also her job). Why she has only released bits and pieces of her evidence I do not know.

Either way, the dribble doesn't make sense. If it's to hurt Zimmerman, why release the thc results at all? If it's to help Zimmerman and there was more to the tox screen than just thc, why wouldn't they release it all at the same time?

 

[griffin]

Either way, the dribble doesn't make sense. why wouldn't they release it all at the same time?

Angela Corey's contact info for Duval, Clay, and Nassau Counties. Perhaps you can get your questions answered there.

Online contact/email: http://www.sao4th.com/contact-the-state-attorneys-office/

Duval County
Courthouse Annex
220 East Bay Street
Jacksonville, Florida, 32202
Monday - Friday
8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Main Switchboard:
(904) 630-2400
Case Information:
(904) 630-1983
Business Office:
(904) 630-2507

Clay County
825 North Orange Avenue
Green Cove Springs
Florida, 32043
Monday - Friday
8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Main Switchboard:
(904) 269-6319

Nassau County
76347 Veterans Way, Suite 2105
Yulee
Florida, 32097
Monday - Friday
8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Main Switchboard:
(904) 548-4700

 

[hornadylnl]

Angela Corey said she is looking for justice for Trayvon. She did not say she was looking for justice for Zimmerman (which, in theory, is also her job). Why she has only released bits and pieces of her evidence I do not know.

Seriously curious here. Is there a quote of her saying she is looking for justice for Trayvon? I would expect a defense attorney to say he's looking for justice for his client.

Let's say the "plaintiff" or whatever you want to call it is still living. The plaintiff was raped and the defendent is charged with her rape. Is the prosecuter representing the plaintiff or the state? Would it be considered normal for the prosecuter to say she's looking for justice for the rape victim?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Angela Corey said she is looking for justice for Trayvon. She did not say she was looking for justice for Zimmerman (which, in theory, is also her job). Why she has only released bits and pieces of her evidence I do not know.

Why would a prosecutor not seek justice for a murdered person, when their whole case is built around finding the defendant guilty?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Seriously curious here. Is there a quote of her saying she is looking for justice for Trayvon? I would expect a defense attorney to say he's looking for justice for his client.

Let's say the "plaintiff" or whatever you want to call it is still living. The plaintiff was raped and the defendent is charged with her rape. Is the prosecuter representing the plaintiff or the state? Would it be considered normal for the prosecuter to say she's looking for justice for the rape victim?

She does say justice for Trayvon. And I having a hard time understanding how that is out of line.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Why would a prosecutor not seek justice for a murdered person, when their whole case is built around finding the defendant guilty?

This works hand in hand with my reasons for considering most prosecutors menaces to society. The stupid SOBs should be motivated to find the truth, not to put heads on pikes without giving a damn whether those heads are guilty or not.

 

[griffin]

Is there a quote of her saying she is looking for justice for Trayvon?

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