I know it's BS. Just did'nt use purple.If Zimmerman shouldn't have left home that night, then whoever gets into a car wreck should not have been driving. That is a BS reason overall.
I know it's BS. Just did'nt use purple.If Zimmerman shouldn't have left home that night, then whoever gets into a car wreck should not have been driving. That is a BS reason overall.
Sorry.That's my point. Tell that to Kutnupe, he started this whole "what if" thing.
Maybe I am crazy or just a big weenie, but I am not following a guy who I think is suspicious or maybe a criminal. I am not putting myself in a position of danger if I don't need to. That to me is the opposite of self defense. I am taking myself out of the situation and let the cops handle it.
If Zimmerman had never left his house that day....Oh nevermind.If that makes you a weenie then,
*Raises hand* Fellow weenie here.
If Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle and minded his own business (or called 911 and let the police handle it), Martin would still be alive and he wouldn't be facing charges.
Zimmerman following Martin (which is one of the few facts we actually have) seems like much more of a threat than anything we have on Martin.
Zimmerman instigated a confrontation, got his ass kicked by a teenager and then killed him. Second degree murder might not fit, but I certainly think manslaughter does.
So stepping out of your vehicle makes you guilty of manslaughter if someone later attacks you? Gotcha.
Yes, because leaving your house is equivalent to instigating a confrontation.
Let's review what happened. True, Zimmerman did leave his vehicle. But originally he was in his vehicle talking to the police. Trayvon saw him watching him and approached Zimmerman. At some point (maybe he heard what Zimmerman was saying on the phone?) he took off running, confirming Zimmerman's suspicions. Yeah, Z didn't want him to get away before the cops could show up, so he followed to report Trayvon's location. But he stopped following and began returning to his truck.If Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle and minded his own business (or called 911 and let the police handle it)
Actually Trayvon initiated a confrontation. Twice. Possibly three times.Zimmerman instigated a confrontation
Let's review what happened. True, Zimmerman did leave his vehicle. But originally he was in his vehicle talking to the police. Trayvon saw him watching him and approached Zimmerman. At some point (maybe he heard what Zimmerman was saying on the phone?) he took off running, confirming Zimmerman's suspicions. Yeah, Z didn't want him to get away before the cops could show up, so he followed to report Trayvon's location. But he stopped following and began returning to his truck.Actually Trayvon initiated a confrontation. Twice. Possibly three times.
In any event, since it seems like Zimmerman’s main goal was to stay in touch the with police throughout the evening, it seems unlikely that he would intentionally start any physical altercation knowing that they were on their way.
I made some assumptions, yes. May I refer you to this post?Seems like your making alot of assumptions.
Both sides seem to agree on that Zimmerman followed Martin and imo that is doing nothing but escalating the situation. Who is to say that Martin wasnt justified in punching Zimmerman to begin with? Maybe he felt threatened that he was being followed and was standing his ground. Why does one person have the right to self defense and the other doesnt? Id probably be kinda nervous/edgy if someone I didnt know was following me home from the gas station at night.
Let's review what happened. True, Zimmerman did leave his vehicle. But originally he was in his vehicle talking to the police. Trayvon saw him watching him and approached Zimmerman. At some point (maybe he heard what Zimmerman was saying on the phone?) he took off running, confirming Zimmerman's suspicions. Yeah, Z didn't want him to get away before the cops could show up, so he followed to report Trayvon's location. But he stopped following and began returning to his truck.Actually Trayvon initiated a confrontation. Twice. Possibly three times.
In any event, since it seems like Zimmerman’s main goal was to stay in touch the with police throughout the evening, it seems unlikely that he would intentionally start any physical altercation knowing that they were on their way.
The Missing 2:30 & DeeDee’s Testimony
Let's review what happened. True, Zimmerman did leave his vehicle. But originally he was in his vehicle talking to the police. Trayvon saw him watching him and approached Zimmerman. At some point (maybe he heard what Zimmerman was saying on the phone?) he took off running, confirming Zimmerman's suspicions. Yeah, Z didn't want him to get away before the cops could show up, so he followed to report Trayvon's location. But he stopped following and began returning to his truck.Actually Trayvon initiated a confrontation. Twice. Possibly three times.
In any event, since it seems like Zimmerman’s main goal was to stay in touch the with police throughout the evening, it seems unlikely that he would intentionally start any physical altercation knowing that they were on their way.
The Missing 2:30 & DeeDee’s Testimony
Exactly my point(s). There is little to no argument that Zimmerman escalated the situation by following him, then he killed him. WTF?
Who in their right mind chases after someone running from them, then kills them when they catch them?
Seriously, even if Trayvon got fed up with being chased, why didn't he have the right to stand his ground and that ***** (seriously, what kind of able-bodied, grown man gets his ass kicked by a 140 lb teenager?) Zimmerman did have that right?
I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around the idea that it is A OK to chase someone down then kill them when they get mad.
Because following somebody means you deserve to be beaten to death and should just take your killing like a man.
Right?
I'm not seeing your point, or maybe we're picturing two different things.
If Zimmerman was chasing Martin like he was trying to chase him down, I could see how that would be a threat. If he was following at a reasonable distance and then Martin ran and then Zimmerman was looking for him, and then Martin came up to him and hit him, that's another thing entirely.
I haven't heard any evidence that Zimmerman ran after him.
In my neighborhood, someone suspicious would stand out. If I saw someone who looked out of place and they were acting suspicious, I might check them out.
Let's say I called out to them, "Hey, you! What are you doing around here?!" and the guy took off running. In my neighborhood that would be very strange and very suspicious behavior. If he ran between my neighbors' house and I followed, I might be making a tactical mistake, but I don't see how I'm the cause of something if he then attacks me.
I don't get the leap between doing something that isn't very advisable to being responsible for a death.
Once I got lost in a town in Georgia when I was in the Army. I was on foot. I ended up walking through a very bad area. A group of young black men began following me, loudly talking about me being in the wrong place. Could I have attacked them?
Or let's take it another step. Since I had every right to walk through there, if I had come armed the next time, do I have a responsibility for a death if I'm attacked? After all, I did something stupid by walking through there, and by coming armed I could easily predict that something might happen.
I just don't think we can go down that road very far.
Was Zimmerman doing anything illegal by following?
Did he initiate physical contact?
These are the questions that are pertinent to me.
I'm not seeing your point, or maybe we're picturing two different things.
If Zimmerman was chasing Martin like he was trying to chase him down, I could see how that would be a threat. If he was following at a reasonable distance and then Martin ran and then Zimmerman was looking for him, and then Martin came up to him and hit him, that's another thing entirely.
I haven't heard any evidence that Zimmerman ran after him.
In my neighborhood, someone suspicious would stand out. If I saw someone who looked out of place and they were acting suspicious, I might check them out.
Let's say I called out to them, "Hey, you! What are you doing around here?!" and the guy took off running. In my neighborhood that would be very strange and very suspicious behavior. If he ran between my neighbors' house and I followed, I might be making a tactical mistake, but I don't see how I'm the cause of something if he then attacks me.
I don't get the leap between doing something that isn't very advisable to being responsible for a death.
Once I got lost in a town in Georgia when I was in the Army. I was on foot. I ended up walking through a very bad area. A group of young black men began following me, loudly talking about me being in the wrong place. Could I have attacked them?
Or let's take it another step. Since I had every right to walk through there, if I had come armed the next time, do I have a responsibility for a death if I'm attacked? After all, I did something stupid by walking through there, and by coming armed I could easily predict that something might happen.
I just don't think we can go down that road very far.
Was Martin doing anything illegal walking home from the store?Was Zimmerman doing anything illegal by following?
Did he initiate physical contact?
These are the questions that are pertinent to me.
If Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, he did. Got any evidence of that? Even if that did happen, and there is no evidence to show that to be the case, the legal problem is, once Trayvon is on top of Zimmernan beating him, he has stopped the threat. But if he keeps pounding his head into the pavement after the threat has been stopped, he then becomes the aggressor. At that point Zimmerman doesn't know if he's going to kill him, or he will be unconscious at which point Trayvon can kill him or do any serious bodily harm he wants. Thus, Zimmerman still has self-defense rights, even if he initiated the confrontation, which, again, there is no evidence to show that to be the case. Got any?why didn't he [Trayvon] have the right to stand his ground
Wow, Trayvon must have gained a lot of weight all of a sudden right before the autopsy! Trayvon weighed about the same as Zimmerman. Plus he was seven inches taller. In addition, Trayvon used to practice in his "Fight Club" where they would videotape "refereed" street fights. Trayvon both fought and refereed. I don't think Zimmerman was a fighter.seriously, what kind of able-bodied, grown man gets his ass kicked by a 140 lb teenager?
I gathered that. Reread the case. At least as much as we know of it now.I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around the idea that it is A OK to chase someone down then kill them when they get mad.
May I refer you to this post?we dont know who started it. According to Zimmerman it was Martin, but who knows if that is accurate or not. I am sorry if I dont just take his word for it.
Not exactly. May I refer you to this post?You guys are so on one side, you are convinced Zimmerman did nothing wrong with the only real "evidence" if you call it that is his testimony.
Actions have consequences.A kid died, sure he wasnt a saint, but doesnt he deserve a fair shake?