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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      Agreed. I think that was my original point - that it has to get published before there is any protection/amnesty/exemption, and that they might be delaying the publishment on purpose. File early or late = not 'covered'. Jump the gun at ones own peril. This is exactly what I was thinking...
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      It seems that that is exactly the intended outcome. If you take a wide view of what's been going on in the country, it's hard to come to any other conclusion. In every area, it's all moving in the same direction - the one that's bad for We the People. BTW... they don't need to ruin many...
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      Not the memo. Not the website. Not the dog-and-poney for the press. Certainly not what their reasoning is for any of it. Fits in nicely with just about everything else the gov't is doing these days! :)
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      Ah... but there is the catch! The way I understand the language, if a person proceeds to file an eForm 1, and take door number 2 for the exemption and tax exempt stamp - they are stating that they currently possess a SBR as defined by the NFA. Not a pistol with a brace. Not a weapon that...
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      That's my read - and also NO EXEMPTION for possessing a "firearm" during the 120 day period, or while the application processed. A person is only 'covered' if they file WITHIN the 120 day window, from the date of publication. It hasn't been published yet (checked 10 minutes ago), so...
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      I thought they did have this ready to go, but I'm probably mistaken. Last week, I followed the cookie crumbs and got to here: https://eforms-form1.atf.gov/login I didn't go past this point, as it required: 1.) creating a user account on the ATF site; and 2.) the language that I was agreeing...
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      You beat me to the punch line! WHY? I start with what I know from life in general: Organizations don't behave according to the bylaws and charters. They almost always devolve to behave like the people in them. Bullies and thugs are not looking for opponents, they are looking for victims...
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      - They really don't give two S**ts about We the People. - They aren't trying to solve any problems, present or future. - They're smug and confident because the masters they serve already have power, not because they are trying to get it. This little brace game is about demonstrating their...
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      I'll not lie to you.
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      So... we are basically in a spot where: People thought they were complying with the law. They thought this because the Gov't told them so. Now the Gov't is telling them that they are committing a felony, and can go to jail or be financially ruined. People are scared that "The Man" will come...
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      They certainly don't turn over illegal imagrants that are arrested for violent crimes. Locals just release them and give them a piece of paper telling them to voluntarily show up for court in 10 months.
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      I'm sure they did, and it gave them great pause. With sadness, they had to keep moving forward despite it.
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      I think both are right, depanding on whether you eFile or paper file. 1 month or 12 months.
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      If I were saying to trust the ATF, you'd have a point. If I were arguing that the ATF's opinions determined the law, you'd have a point. My point was that the publicized statements by the ATF gives a person a good reason to believe that they are not committing a crime. The case, STAPLES v...
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      I've never read a contract or legal document over a page that I didn't find a "gotcha" in. I just co-signed on a lease for my daughter that was filled with them. I couldn't change the language, and she needs a place to live, so we signed it. I talked with her about the risks, and how to...
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      I'm missing something. Is the "Free" Form 1 significantly different from the normal Form 1? Why can't we: 1. Remove the brace, now you have a pistol and a part to convert it. 2. File the Form 1, because you want to re-attach the brace to the pistol and convert it to a SBR. Send the...
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      That's exactly where the ATF roots are buried. The original mission was to collect revenue on, wait for it..... Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms It morphed into more of a law enforcement role to go after Gangsters who didn't pay taxes. Since it existed, it was very convenient to turn it into a...
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      Thanks for putting more meat on the plate!
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      I applaud the effort, and hope he succeeds. I think he has the order backwards. Unfortunately, abolishing the ATF doesn't abolish bad law. An SBR is still and SBR. I'm not so sure I want the FBI to take on this role in the vacuum. Start by taking a meat cleaver to bad law. Next, go after...
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      New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

      If you ask nicely, they still will not give you the note. They will maintain the position that you Do have one somewhere, they just haven't been able to find it yet! Once they create the argument for probable cause, and they are "certain" enough to break down your door, they will never admit...
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